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The decline of restaurants and eating out

Just wanted to add some relevant information to this thread about Sysco, since it's come up several times.

Sysco is likely not a reason why restaurants suck, and this is for a few reasons.

Sysco is a monster food distributor and they have different "lines" of product they sell. They sell to high end restaurants and greasy spoons. They sell to hospitals and nursing homes. They sell to schools and prisons (see what I did there lol). The

Accounts get pricing based on volume and contracts and all that kind of stuff. Sysco buys from the same sources all food distributors buy from. The difference in food quality from restaurant to restaurant varies based on what they buy. There are plenty of "heat and serve" products available, raw products, processed, shelf-stable stuff, etc.

Your favorite restaurant you've ever been to may source some of it's food from Sysco, but also the joint your cousin Eddie stayed at for a few weeks after beating up the guy at the bar that looked at him funny likely does too. There are different products for different industries.

I've been involved in healthcare foodservice for a long time in the SE USA and every place I've worked has some products they buy from Sysco. I'm not defending any distributor, I've just been around their products for years, and it doesn't all suck.

The problem isn’t Sysco. As mentioned above the problem is the consumer. People will continue to pay for crap and as long as they continue to pay for it that’s what they’ll get. We vote with our wallets.
 
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This is something that stuck out to me, out of your whole post. What you would "want" to do on a phone is vastly different to what a phone can do. Probably the one thing in your post that actually makes sense is using a phone to do any kind of CAD or design work - that's not what they are designed to do. Leading on from that, phones are designed to save time and be convenient. For example, you mentioned music streaming. For the cost of me legally buying every song I want to listen to without opening YouTube, I would probably be in the $1000s. Based on what I have downloaded onto my phone (unpaid, we don't need to talk about that lol), 409 songs, and the average cost of purchasing a song legally ($1.15) that's $470 to not use Amazon or YouTube or Spotify etc. for the same cost, I can use Amazon music for 3.5 years without wasting any time downloading and sorting music. And I can listen to anything I want.

I don't really know anything about dedicated cameras - what can a DSLR do that my camera (pixel 6 pro) can't?

I also don't do much "creating" besides photo editing, so I can't speak on that aspect. I use my phone to communicate, watch YouTube, take photos, and use forums. I've had it for ~3.5 yrs now, and I have no plans to replace it.

You're probably closer to the usage model the thing is designed for. I never said that they can't do a bunch of stuff, I just said that they can't do it well. I find the tiny size, brain dead OS, and the touchscreen interface to be horrid - I don't find that "convenient" - convenience is the false God of our day - there is ALWAYS a price for "convenience", and in this case - and many others for that matter - its a price I'm not willing to pay. I don't see a phone saving much of my time, I'd just be irritated at how crippled the thing is. If they're "not designed to do that", what good is it? Its pointless. I bought a cheap tablet years back to see what all the hubbub was about. It was pretty good to watch Hickok45 videos with, but a pain to do emails with, a nuisance on the web, blah, blah, blah.

Do keep in mind that I'm the cheapest bastard on the planet, I avoid subscription services like the plague - I only have one (Kindle unlimited) because I'm a voracious reader and the subscription is cheaper than buying all those books. I seldom buy music, I have a huge CD collection accumulated over many years, mostly purchased for a couple or three dollars each. Then there's YooToob which is free.

I read this: The smartphone, shaped in part by marketing departments, simply gives people more of what they already wanted,such as news and social media. That's probably why I don't see the point of the thing, I don't want news and "social media"! I avoid the news like the plague, and "social media" (defined as facefuck, TWITter, and similar) has never held any interest for me.

DSLRs, and their more modern counterparts, the "Mirrorless" cameras, have physically larger sensors than any smartphone, which translates to better image quality under the same conditions. But more importantly, they have interchangeable lenses. Smartphone cameras do remarkably well, form factor not withstanding, and are a large part of their price.
 
It’s a good cure for boredom, that’s for sure. I wonder what people used to do on the toilet before phones 😆

I'm thinking more of baggage loaded on plane notifications, club access pass, instant notifications of gate changes, instant notification of which baggage carousel you need to go to ( I don't need to hunt down the board) amongst other things.
 
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Attach lenses that cost more than my phone which allow you to do different things that phones can't do.



There are youtubers with millions of subscribers who film and edit solely on iphones. Pretty amazing what phones can do.

I'd rather use something designed for the task - I can't imagine the PITA factor of doing anything like this with a tiny touchscreen. Yuk! Just because you "can", doesn't mean you "should" or that its optimal, "convenient" or easy.

To be clear, I don't care what other people do. They want to deal with this crippled thing, have at it. Just don't ask me to participate. I've had a pretty darn good life thus far, and much of that goodness comes from my refusal to participate in stupidity. I wish I had a wooden nickel for every-time someone else's Gods-Damned smartphone impacted my life negatively. An inconvenience to the user, AND everyone around him. But what just rusts my zills is the ever increasing societal EXPECTATION that I have one. People want me to be inconvenienced and pay, pay, pay, pay, PAY for this phucking thing? I have no problem whatsoever throwing their expectations back into their faces, most recently at Home Depot when I went there to rent a truck and they EXPECTED me to have a PHOOOOOONNE in order to pass THEIR online vetting system.You want to vet me? You provide the equipment, DO NOT expect me to cater to your shortsightedness. I went elsewhere - now the PHOOOOOONNE cost them a customer.

The worldwide monetary and societal costs of these things and catering to them is massive - but I have my infamous smartphone rant for that. For those who have yet to see it, or haven't seen it recently, here it is:

https://www.doubleveil.net/phoooooonne.htm - but be forewarned, it is a RANT, not a scholarly article.
 
Lot's of things it can do that make the travel experience better.

I'm at the airport to get on a plane, or maybe eat something. That's it. I don't need to have to fiddle with a crippled toy to do so - and I wish everyone else would leave theirs at home. Getting on the plane is a pain in the ass to start with, and even more so when half the idiots are using their smartphones to hold their boarding pass. They have to stop, get it scanned (assuming they have it ready, many times they do not) holding up the entire line for the sake of their PHOOOOOONNE. I just hand the gate agent my piece of paper and walk onto the plane without even stopping in most cases. Far more "conVEEEEEEEEEEEENient".

Another aspect that isn't talked about much outside of computer geek circles: "Single point of failure". If somebody's precious device dies, is stolen, or the battery just goes flat, they *can* be in a world of hurt - esp. when traveling. Since I don't participate, it doesn't affect me.
 
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If they're "not designed to do that", what good is it?
Because nobody is trying to use a phone to do design work, so it's not a problem.


I bought a cheap tablet years back to see what all the hubbub was about. It was pretty good to watch Hickok45 videos with, but a pain to do emails with, a nuisance on the web, blah, blah, blah.

Tablets suck. They are an attempt to compromise between a phone and a computer, and do none of it right, or well.
 
They're a mediocre phone and a horrid computer. They probably do ok as a GPS - at 10X the price. I have 3 dedicated GPSes, that I probably paid a total of $400 for. One of them is well over 10 years old, I've never had to replace them as yet - vs the "usual" 2-3 year lifespan of the smartphone. I wouldn't want to do anything on the 'net with one, including email. Too small, too crippled, brain dead OS, no keyboard, no precision pointing device, and no screen real estate. I don't understand why people use them in their cars so much - rather than putting their music on a "Geek Stick" and plugging it in - or using onboard storage, they stream music via a paid subscription service via an expensive data plan with an overpriced smartphone. I'll be the first to admit that they can take good pictures. Bad form factor, not as versatile as my DSLRs, but most of the time they get the job done - when the idiot using the thing remembers to turn it sideways rather than shooting in portrait mode whether or not it should be. Don't get me started on vertical videos...

I certainly could go on about the evils of the things, but that's not your question, and that aspect has only come to the fore (for me) fairly recently. When Jobs introduced the device in 2007, I examined the concept like I do all new tech. What it looked like to me was that the failed Newton PDA had been grafted onto a cell phone. Not necessarily a bad idea, if one wants/needs a PDA. However, I skipped the whole PDA craze as I didn't need one, although I thought they had their place. But at the price that the iPhone commanded, it was a complete non-starter with me. I didn't need it and I was certainly not paying the price demanded.

In short, I didn't see the point of the thing then, and I don't now. I expect to get at least 10 years out of a desktop computer. I upgraded a 13 year old Mac Mini last January at the cost of around $1K. I could have gotten more life from the Mac, but my computing requirements had changed, and I needed something with more horsepower. With the help of one of my dance instructor's husband, I pieced a very nice Linux box together - I was glad for his help as I retired from IT 8+ years ago, and wasn't up to date on the latest and greatest. Will it be the last one I ever buy? Probably not, but I'll probably only need one more after this one as I figure I have about 21 years left to me this time around. But for the computational tasks I do, its fabulous - and certainly beats a smartphone hands down.

Another aspect of smartphones is the fact that they are rightly called a consumption device. I do very little "consumption" - I'm on this forum, watch a few YouToob videos, am on several firearms forums, and do a lot of research on the open web about subjects (many!) that interest me. That's the extent of my "consumption". Otherwise I'm creating - videos, music cuts, a bit of electronic CAD, I like to keep my hand in programming - or "coding" as the youngsters seem to call it now. A bit of light graphic design, and a whole lot of photography. Why would I want to use a smartphone for ANY of that? Oh, and webpage creation/maintenance, and starting to get into mech-CAD a bit as I have a 3D printer. I had 3 large screens on the old Mac, with the new Linux box I added a 4th that is even larger, then I went the other way and got a tiny - more or less smartphone sized - screen that I keep system statuses running on.

Bottom line. I don't see much that a smartphone can do that something else can't do better - usually FAR better, and cheaper.

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I'll make it simple: I'm not paying $35/mo, and my dedicated devices reach past 10 years old. I'm not saddled with a crippled, brain dead device that spies on me. How much are you paying to stream music? Or are you one of the few that's actually smarter than that - I hope so. Most of the functions of the smartphone are pointless to me anyway. Read the above - the full extent of my dedicated devices is there. Yea, they cost more than you paid for your PHOOOOOONNE, but HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU HAD TO BUY YET ANOTHER? Never mind the sub-optimal experience of them. The amount you're paying just to feed that thing every month will replace a couple or three of my devices each year (not that I've needed to) - that have no subscriptions attached to them.

"Perform in its sleep?" Give me a break. Let's see YOU do half the stuff I do on my COMPUTER with that broken toy. Let's see you do a PWB layout on the thing - I'll even make it simple for you and keep it at only 4 layers, and won't even suggest blind or buried vias. Let's see - SolidWorks doesn't run on one either - I wonder why? Let's do some movie editing and re-encoding - or graphic design for that matter. You probably can do some clumsy audio editing with it, although why anyone would want to is beyond me. You haven't got the horsepower, you haven't got the software, you haven't got the operating system, and you certainly don't have the the screen or other UI - the UX sucks by the thing's very nature, its hard to get around physics.

I've been using, building (at the chip level), designing, and programming computers and computational hardware since long before most people had ever seen one or knew what one was. I've forgotten more about computers than most will ever know - but I do know that a PHOOOOOONNE "ain't it!".

way too long to read but I skimmed it, if you're not 'paying $35/month', may I gather you somehow get cell service and internet service for free?

I think it's just dawned on me what the problem here is. You seem to be under two misconceptions.

One, price. I haven't spent $1,000 on 4 iPhones combined that, when this newest one dies, will span close to 15 years of use, your cost of use arguments are silly.

Two, and far more important, you seem to be under the impression that everyone that uses a smartphone has declared that it performs every one of its functions better than any other device on the planet. I've never heard anyone, except you, make that claim of smartphone users.

You've created a fallacy in your head that you use in an odd attempt to argue about the value of a smartphone.

I've suggested this to you before & it went right over your head, but I'll repeat it in hopes that it sinks in:

My phone makes a phone call as good as any phone I’ve ever used, it gets me to every destination I’ve ever input while also steering me around accidents, road closures, and radar, it sends an email when I hit the ‘send’ button, it receives an email when someone else hits their send button, it plays the song I want to hear, or mixes it up & surprises me, at my option, if I hear a song on the radio & I want to know what it is, it tells me, it takes better quality photos and videos than I need, it answers every question asked of it by voice or typed into the search bar, it searches the WWW in a nanosecond and delivers what I need at the moment I need it as good as my very expensive office computer and on, and on, and on, and on, and on ad nauseum.

Put in a bite sized form, I don't need it to be the best at every function, I need it to do what I want it to do all contained in one item that's the size of a pack of Marlboros so I don't have to walk around like this guy:


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They also scan your boarding pass lol, not just the people with phones. If they don't have it up, why would you blame it on the phone? That is on them, not their phone.

I do blame it on the phone, such inconsideration is endemic in the "smartphone culture". I know they scan my boarding pass - but I don't have to stop (usually) while they do so. I hand it to the agent and keep right on going.
 
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way too long to read but I skimmed it, if you're not 'paying $35/month', may I gather you somehow get cell service and internet service for free?

I think it's just dawned on me what the problem here is. You seem to be under two misconceptions.

One, price. I haven't spent $1,000 on 4 iPhones combined that, when this newest one dies, will span close to 15 years of use, your cost of use arguments are silly.

Two, and far more important, you seem to be under the impression that everyone that uses a smartphone has declared that it performs every one of its functions better than any other device on the planet. I've never heard anyone, except you, make that claim of smartphone users.

You've created a fallacy in your head that you use in an odd attempt to argue about the value of a smartphone.

I've suggested this to you before & it went right over your head, but I'll repeat it in hopes that it sinks in:

My phone makes a phone call as good as any phone I’ve ever used, it gets me to every destination I’ve ever input while also steering me around accidents, road closures, and radar, it sends an email when I hit the ‘send’ button, it receives an email when someone else hits their send button, it plays the song I want to hear, or mixes it up & surprises me, at my option, if I hear a song on the radio & I want to know what it is, it tells me, it takes better quality photos and videos than I need, it answers every question asked of it by voice or typed into the search bar, it searches the WWW in a nanosecond and delivers what I need at the moment I need it as good as my very expensive office computer and on, and on, and on, and on, and on ad nauseum.

Put in a bite sized form, I don't need it to be the best at every function, I need it to do what I want it to do all contained in one item that's the size of a pack of Marlboros so I don't have to walk around like this guy:


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You seem to find this amusing - but the fact of the matter is 1) all those devices were a lot nicer than a smartphone, and 2) I don't carry, nor need 90% of what's in that picture.
 
I'm thinking more of baggage loaded on plane notifications, club access pass, instant notifications of gate changes, instant notification of which baggage carousel you need to go to ( I don't need to hunt down the board) amongst other things.

The last time we flew, I knew my bags were on the plane with me. One other time I saw they were loaded on the next plane and knew before I landed to go to a different bag claim and to wait. I could track the plane to see how far behind it was from ours.

Oh and for the thread, airport food is the perfect representation of overpriced crap with horrible service. The whole flying experience is garbage now.
 
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My phone makes a phone call as good as any phone I’ve ever used, it gets me to every destination I’ve ever input while also steering me around accidents, road closures, and radar, it sends an email when I hit the ‘send’ button, it receives an email when someone else hits their send button, it plays the song I want to hear, or mixes it up & surprises me, at my option, if I hear a song on the radio & I want to know what it is, it tells me, it takes better quality photos and videos than I need, it answers every question asked of it by voice or typed into the search bar, it searches the WWW in a nanosecond and delivers what I need at the moment I need it as good as my very expensive office computer and on, and on, and on, and on, and on ad nauseum.

Put in a bite sized form, I don't need it to be the best at every function, I need it to do what I want it to do all contained in one item that's the size of a pack of Marlboros so I don't have to walk around like this guy:
Then that's where we differ - I don't want to be subjected to the pain in the ass these things are. I do indeed want everything to be the best that I can afford (at least), and I don't want to be subjected to these broken toys. I call BS on "it searches the WWW in a nanosecond and delivers what I need at the moment I need it as good as my very expensive office computer" - it does nothing of the sort. You can't type it your search without the pain in the ass of a micro-sized touchscreen "keyboard", and when the info is displayed, its on a tiny screen that sucks. I don't think you get that point.
 
I do blame it on the phone, such inconsideration is endemic in the "smartphone culture". I know they scan my boarding pass - but I don't have to stop (usually) while they do so. I hand it to the agent and keep right on going.

What about when someone has to dig a paper boarding pass out of their backpack. Now do we hate paper
 
way too long to read but I skimmed it, if you're not 'paying $35/month', may I gather you somehow get cell service and internet service for free?

I think it's just dawned on me what the problem here is. You seem to be under two misconceptions.

One, price. I haven't spent $1,000 on 4 iPhones combined that, when this newest one dies, will span close to 15 years of use, your cost of use arguments are silly.

Two, and far more important, you seem to be under the impression that everyone that uses a smartphone has declared that it performs every one of its functions better than any other device on the planet. I've never heard anyone, except you, make that claim of smartphone users.

You've created a fallacy in your head that you use in an odd attempt to argue about the value of a smartphone.

I've suggested this to you before & it went right over your head, but I'll repeat it in hopes that it sinks in:

My phone makes a phone call as good as any phone I’ve ever used, it gets me to every destination I’ve ever input while also steering me around accidents, road closures, and radar, it sends an email when I hit the ‘send’ button, it receives an email when someone else hits their send button, it plays the song I want to hear, or mixes it up & surprises me, at my option, if I hear a song on the radio & I want to know what it is, it tells me, it takes better quality photos and videos than I need, it answers every question asked of it by voice or typed into the search bar, it searches the WWW in a nanosecond and delivers what I need at the moment I need it as good as my very expensive office computer and on, and on, and on, and on, and on ad nauseum.

Put in a bite sized form, I don't need it to be the best at every function, I need it to do what I want it to do all contained in one item that's the size of a pack of Marlboros so I don't have to walk around like this guy:


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We are on an old Sprint plan from back when Jesus rode his dinosour to Sunday school. They folded and are Tmobile. The last time we called for something the rep on the phone was surprised at our 28 year old grandfathered in family plan.

I guess we get a senior discount because he couldn't believe how little our 4 phone plan cost.
 
What about when someone has to dig a paper boarding pass out of their backpack. Now do we hate paper

No idea how androids work but with an iPhone. Once you have the ticket loaded in your wallet, you tap it from the lock screen without unlocking your phone to open your boarding pass. It’s less than a second to go straight to the ticket.
 
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