Novak Conversions Jeep Wrangler TJ engine mounts

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Hey, that's really great to hear. Congrats. You learned all the hard lessons about TJ ownership without paying the price :) Good luck on your TJ-buying journey and be sure to keep posting possible purchases on the forum.
LOL....thanks. Honestly, I love the TJ more than I do the new ones, but I don't think I am going to risk another potentially catastrophic situation. I'll probably go the JL way now. Bad frame or not, I really did like that thing.
 
Fair enough... but just remember, a JL will never be as cool as a TJ. And instead of frame rot you now have to worry about welds breaking :)
 
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Well, there you go. 3 pages of speculation, critiques of the buying process, legal advice, and in the end, it was a bad Jeep, which shouldn't even have been on the lot, or sold. Good on that dealer for owning up to it and making it right. Don't give up too quickly on a TJ. Though I know how you might feel. Been there. Good luck with the search.
 
That worked out unbelievably well.

There are decent people in all businesses, and crooks.

No one will ever look after you like you . Keep your eyes open in life.
 
That’s great to hear!

I actually believe most people don’t want to do wrong, and just need a nudge in the right direction.

My LJR would randomly shut off on me. My initial response was judgemental on the seller and I was a jerk and left a bad review before I gave them a chance to make it right. They called me and offered to give it a chance to take a look.

Not even a week after I dropped it off they replaced a pretty simple sensor (CPS) after the manager asked if he could drive it on a commute, about 60miles. I agreed and he found the issue - it’s been “bullet proof” since (knock on wood).

He refused my payment, so I took my wife’s car there for a moderately over priced brake job as a thanks and fixed my review and personally went in to apologize to the owner on my bad assumption.

Long story short, be sure to not let your assumptions or biases dictate an outcome, be sure to always give people a chance!
 
Update:

Talked to the dealer this week and he felt genuinely bad. Said he hires a man to inspect all the cars he buys and this guy was just terrible, and ultimately. fired him.

He wanted to make it right and gave me the purchase price that I paid less taxes. I felt he was as fair as he could be with me and feel very fortunate to make it out of this transaction like I did.

Thank you for all the help and advice.
When you do purchase a TJ let me know, we can use my endoscope to look inside the frame for rust, that's where the worst is
 
That’s great to hear!

I actually believe most people don’t want to do wrong, and just need a nudge in the right direction.

My LJR would randomly shut off on me. My initial response was judgemental on the seller and I was a jerk and left a bad review before I gave them a chance to make it right. They called me and offered to give it a chance to take a look.

Not even a week after I dropped it off they replaced a pretty simple sensor (CPS) after the manager asked if he could drive it on a commute, about 60miles. I agreed and he found the issue - it’s been “bullet proof” since (knock on wood).

He refused my payment, so I took my wife’s car there for a moderately over priced brake job as a thanks and fixed my review and personally went in to apologize to the owner on my bad assumption.

Long story short, be sure to not let your assumptions or biases dictate an outcome, be sure to always give people a chance!
This is a really good story... Don't assume somebody is out to get you until they prove it... At the same time keep your wallet in your pocket.

I'm a contractor and contractors get a horrible rap... And it is usually very well deserved.. and some people are so worried about that that they are constantly on edge when you do business with him.

I recently told a customer something to the effect of we're not going to leave anything unfinished or not going to do anything wrong we're not going to do bad work and we're not going to do anything that doesn't meet code or isn't technically sound.... He was picking the work apart and it wasn't even close to finished.

Business owners and customers alike need to be fair and reasonable.
 
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Well, there you go. 3 pages of speculation, critiques of the buying process, legal advice, and in the end, it was a bad Jeep, which shouldn't even have been on the lot, or sold. Good on that dealer for owning up to it and making it right. Don't give up too quickly on a TJ. Though I know how you might feel. Been there. Good luck with the search.

And........

one year and five months later here I am back. I ended up buying the new JL and I do love it, but I never lost the desire to own the TJ. And so, I always kept looking with the hope that a really good one, and one (WITHOUT A BAD FRAME) would show up and it finally did.

And without further adieu........I bring to you, with only 69,000 miles, glorious red, 2004 Jeep TJ:

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And........

one year and five months later here I am back. I ended up buying the new JL and I do love it, but I never lost the desire to own the TJ. And so, I always kept looking with the hope that a really good one, and one (WITHOUT A BAD FRAME) would show up and it finally did.

And without further adieu........I bring to you, with only 69,000 miles, glorious red, 2004 Jeep TJ:

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Hey nice find! Glad to have you back with us!
 
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Novak Conversions Jeep Wrangler TJ engine mounts