Show us a 2" lift spring to support a 12 and a way to get 50/50 travel out of that 12.
Dave Kishpaugh's (Jeep West) geometry correction brackets are now available
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The geometry is returned to that of less then 2” while having 4” springs. Sorry wasn’t real clear.
Even if it offers no performance gains the thought of having a centered rear tire without having the diff crash into the gas tank skid when stuffed is enough to be worth it. Helping the rear axle to travel more true up and down instead of back into the tank.
It would have been nice to see a "non corrected" TJ make that climb. Right now, we don't know if it would have been similar or worse.
I'm still having trouble with that one because I haven't seen that as a problem to solve on any of the outboards I've been involved with.
I didn't read comparing one specific characteristic (RE: the stability) as a blanket statement of "all people should buy my brackets instead of a midarm". And I'm like 99% sure I've seen comments on this forum about a midarm needing more help from shocks and sway bars to limit body roll than what a SA needs, and it always seemed presented as a natural and acceptable trade-off for the benefits. Not sure why we suddenly have to pretend that doesn't exist or why bringing it up is equivalent to saying "midarm sux!".
I'm not sure anybody knows what the context of the thread is at this point, but there's a difference between "off road use" and "serious off road use". I feel like people are trying to turn this into a zero-sum game where either midarm or geo correction has to be a winner and the other has to be a loser, when it seems pretty clear to me that they're different solutions intended to solve an overlapping set of problems and are each successful in solving those problems to varying degrees. As you've pointed out, there are a lot of TJ drivers who don't have the terrain or the skillset to exceed the capabilities of shortarms, but can there not be a subset of the remainder that might be adequately served by a $165 set of brackets without going all the way to a midarm?
Dave's most recent post acknowledges the midarm has a system with way more potential...but I honestly didn't think that wasn't already clear.
True there are so many variables. It is difficult to get
No a problem in itself I suppose. More of an eyesore to me. The front of my 35” tire is almost even with the front of my rear fender. When stuffed I had to slightly trim the rear of my fender. If we could get it to move on less of an arc and more straight up and down things would be easier to fit in the wheel well.
Well yep!
Some are arrogant enough to compare a $3000 kit without labor to a $165 bracket kit (without labor) and compare the the two on performance.
Seems dumb.
Seems like tuned shocks compared to off the shelf shocks.
But I’ve been blocked by jesse jacks very well so he won’t discuss his mods with me and what 85 or more % of TJ owners want….
But listen to Dave. He’s a smart man. You don’t need a $3k mid arm kit. That needs installed. You can do ok with this.
I cant help but feel that no matter what Dave says or does there is a group of people waiting to point out flaws and such..I know Dave personally and his knowledge and products work for a ton of people in my neck of the woods. If you feel his products don't live up to the hype then don't use them and use what you feel works. I truly hope one members experience with Dave doesn't change others opinions. I don't have a dog in this fight my jeep is a 4 inch short arm with blown rear shocks and will probably never see Moab and im ok with that. I just feel like all members here should be given the same amount of respect unless they are a douchebag. I have to think to myself when the last time someone questioned certain other members about their builds and products?
What am I missing?
Yep. Get ready buddy.
I’ve been blocked by the bitches. Honestly, who cares. They are pussyfooting around and can’t take a different opinion. But you will get a lot of flack, they won’t see my post.
It’s all good. I don’t trust liberals. Or people who won’t accept not every person who owns a TJ is after the extreme or what the platform can provide. Some have wives, children and other hobbies that don’t allow them to throw a pot of money not a toy. Just saying.
This is a disingenuous representation as an outside observer, there’s a lot of comments of experience on this forum that people argue with. I’d hope people can discern their budget and build need vs experience.
No one is going to say that another needs custom tuned shocks for anything, however maybe their on road ride was great for various reasons on a tune and it was noticeable off road.
We now also know that said bracket is focused for on-road use, which is fine and dandy - but it also self selects out of some comparable categories.
Agreed. Context of the comparison is huge here. Unfortunately something that was not clear until it was called out many pages in.
And?
So the mid arm kit works better? For? Who?
Seriously.
I’m don’t have either. With this build. I’ve had others.
In the end. It’s who wants what they can do!
$4k+ vs $500 and whatever works.
Your ignorance to the value of geometry correction brackets is baffling to me, especially when you claim to understand suspension geometry.
All you want to do is discredit them and yap about your jeep. This thread isn't about your "built" jeep, frankly watching a video of your jeep hop almost as much as one with short arms and cheap shocks just solidifys the advantage of geometry correction brackets as a viable option for anyone looking to improve their rig without an invasive build.
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