Dave Kishpaugh's (Jeep West) geometry correction brackets are now available
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Heck ya. Then disconnect rear shocks on both rigs and watch them bounce. Shocks are very important on a TJ since our rear geometry is less than ideal and a compromise at best. But it does work far better than one would think it should.
Absolutely they do. I didn’t imply otherwise. You want to see a rig bounce. Bring mine over with normal SA and stock located Rancho 9000s. Lol. I get will hop on slight hills in the snow. Lmao. I’m not sure which way I’m going to go but both are vast improvement over stock.So, shocks matter?
It would be real interesting for me to do a rear outboard and return to the same obstacle next year without any other changes. But that last part seems unlikely given my history of constant tinkering
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Been there, done that on the street. Everyone should give it a try. Though it won't tell us anything useful about geometry when everything is out of control.
Yet here we are. It’s the same thing repeated over and over. Factory arms are adequate, there is no reason to have long arms. Mid arms are not needed. The fact is stock length arms on a 4” lift suck. Yes we can bandaid them with shocks. But in the end it less than ideal. It is difficult to package a proper suspension under a TJ. Yes is works at a 4” height, but that doesn’t mean we should settle for it. Right?
A stock rig works well too, but we modify it to achieve specific gains. Sometimes we tinker or modify our Jeeps for no other reason than we wanted to. Because it’s fun. Because some like to build things. I am not saying everyone needs custom suspension, but if you went into a shop and asked for a custom built suspension with 16” links they would laugh you out of the shop. I have never seen anyone purposely build around a 16” arm let alone at those angles.
A stock rig works well too, but we modify it to achieve specific gains. Sometimes we tinker or modify our Jeeps for no other reason than we wanted to. Because it’s fun. Because some like to build things. I am not saying everyone needs custom suspension, but if you went into a shop and asked for a custom built suspension with 16” links they would laugh you out of the shop. I have never seen anyone purposely build around a 16” arm let alone at those angles.
ya......... some of us dig our own sink holes.
Mine seems to be 37ish inch deep...
i really gave it an effort to try and figure things out. and even had some wild considerations, like out boarding the rear springs and shocks.
with my already narrowed rear end (and wider JK axle) and being tight on funds i did consider not getting additional struts and getting 6" + lift springs and mount the springs higher on the outside of my frame work. figuring this would move the point of stacking up and let me get the axle higher.
with my already narrowed rear end (and wider JK axle) and being tight on funds i did consider not getting additional struts and getting 6" + lift springs and mount the springs higher on the outside of my frame work. figuring this would move the point of stacking up and let me get the axle higher.
Yes I have a history of build in g right up till I don’t like it anymore........
So if I understand, an LJ will have more anti squat than a TJ with identical suspension simply because the longer wheelbase results in a lower 100% AS line.
I've noticed in street use that my LJs had a different feel under acceleration than my TJ and I never really got why since they were all 3-4" shortarms with basically the same geometry. In 2010 I didn't know what anti squat was but I distinctly remember the sensation and I remember it not being present when I went to a TJ.
I've noticed in street use that my LJs had a different feel under acceleration than my TJ and I never really got why since they were all 3-4" shortarms with basically the same geometry. In 2010 I didn't know what anti squat was but I distinctly remember the sensation and I remember it not being present when I went to a TJ.
My only wish here is that I could have made it to TJ Fest and taken people for a ride in my TJ, especially now that it has the SwayLOC.
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I love my 4" short arm. No sarcasm or anything, I truly do. It currently does everything that I want it to and then some. It has never been my daily but I did drive it to and from trails (up to 6 hr one way loaded with wife and kid) up until last June when I bought a trailer. I definitely like the trailer, but still love wheeling my short arm.
Of course, someone else's probably rides better, does this better, does that better, etc... And I am sure I will read about it on this forum. The joys of rainy days!
Of course, someone else's probably rides better, does this better, does that better, etc... And I am sure I will read about it on this forum. The joys of rainy days!
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I haven't wheeled my LJ yet but with my TJ, which had the exact same suspension, I never experienced the hopping issue or any other that I could definitively blame on the geometry. Not that I've made it up every obstacle, but when i failed, it was clearly driver skill and not hopping or squatting. As I mentioned before I can feel more anti squat on the street, so that may change, but so far it seems I haven't wheeled the kind of stuff that would bring these shortcomings to light.
I haven't wheeled my LJ yet but with my TJ, which had the exact same suspension, I never experienced the hopping issue or any other that I could definitively blame on the geometry. Not that I've made it up every obstacle, but when i failed, it was clearly driver skill and not hopping or squatting. As I mentioned before I can feel more anti squat on the street, so that may change, but so far it seems I haven't wheeled the kind of stuff that would bring these shortcomings to light.
It takes a lot to get to where poor matters. A lot more than it often seems on the forums.
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