Help with snorkel kit purchase

[Serbonze]

It has been my observation. I do not see an issue with giving ones 2 cents in addition to answering the question at hand which in this case it was whether the lights would cause an issue with the snorkel. Many times though others have just simply not answered the question at hand but instead add their 2 cents or bash the item/upgrade in question. Those types of thing occur more other in other forums but it seems that slowly it is making its way here. It could very well steer newcomers from here..

Group think is strong on most forums. You get a few people who really know their stuff and have a strong opinion and then that starts to get parroted around as fact and as the only option by others that have high post counts so newer people think that they are also experts. Try owning anything Metalcloak around here.

For example I personally like my long arm lift but If I were to ask something specific on a long arm lift I will probably get all sorts of negative remarks and comments against it with only a few answers to the question at hand.

See, in that scenario I would ask what your long arm kit is providing for you that a short arm kit isn't? What makes you like the long arm over the short arm? Did you go from a shitty bottom of the barrel lift to a better quality long arm lift with better shocks? If so, then it's not really apples to apples. That's for a different post though....

 

[JeepNWilly]

See, in that scenario I would ask what your long arm kit is providing for you that a short arm kit isn't? What makes you like the long arm over the short arm? Did you go from a shitty bottom of the barrel lift to a better quality long arm lift with better shocks? If so, then it's not really apples to apples. That's for a different post though....

Post is deviating pretty good thanks to me LOL
As most here would say I went from shitty (RC) to shitty (RC) but for me it was night and day ride quality and trail capability as well as $$$. $$$ was the big factor in my decision as family expenses plus soon to have 2 kids in college are more important than that a fancy expensive lift. Not everyone can afford the widely recommended and accepted here savvy lifts I am included, so for me and my pocket book it works. That is the reason I think it is best to answer the question at hand if you can instead of just bashing the product.

It really depends on the question. If someone comes here and asks for what is the best lift recommendation then the door is wide open. In this case the OP question was very specific so I see no point or reason to bash the snorkel and not answer the actual question.

 

[jjvw]

Post is deviating pretty good thanks to me LOL
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We should combine this with the locker thread!

 

[JeepNWilly]

We should combine this with the locker thread!

LOL

 

[59 wagon man]

not a man of many words. I was just trying to show my personal observations but you guys did explain the many reasons that did help in the decision as well

 

[jjvw]

Most of the time it all comes down to the function and whether or not it is what we think it is. So much of this hobby is about image masquerading as function. That is where the frowny face grills, huge light bars, HiLift jacks, shackle cushions and snorkels typically fit in. Then there is the psuedo-tech marketing that takes advantage of people's lack of experience or understanding. That is my issue with MC or RC.

If less is more, or if a stock arrangement is preferable, then I personally like to defend that. Most of my efforts are focused on settings things up in order to get the most out of what is there.

 

[Ted]

Found this set up (pricey) that may fit your needs

https://www.quadratec.com/products/...sBDkihB8JZhJ1-wBfQx6TaUt7QtstMRRoCW8QQAvD_BwE
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I have this one. It's been tried and passed

 

[tworley]

I have metalcloak on my rig

 

[Boinked]

Found this set up (pricey) that may fit your needs

https://www.quadratec.com/products/...sBDkihB8JZhJ1-wBfQx6TaUt7QtstMRRoCW8QQAvD_BwE
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This is from quadratic info page.

Legal in California, or other states adopting California emissions standards, only for racing vehicles that may never be used, registered or licensed for use, upon a highway. Can not be shipped to California residents

What????????

 

[Flib]

I have this one. It's been tried and passed

not that I would buy or ever need one,but I do like the look of that one, makes me think of bulldozers

 

[IPerkWVU]

not that I would buy or ever need one,but I do like the look of that one, makes me think of bulldozers

I agree, if I were ever buying one, it would be this style.

 

[jjvw]

I have metalcloak on my rig

Your fenders, though!

 

[Thunderhead]

not a man of many words. I was just trying to show my personal observations but you guys did explain the many reasons that did help in the decision as well

In your original post about snorkels linked by Serbonez, I may have been the guilty party poo pooing snorkels, I apologize.

 

[bobthetj03]

Your fenders, though!

:icon_popcorn:

 

[jjvw]

:icon_popcorn:

I'm willing pick at MC's fenders far more than their bushings. No one is going mistakenly mess up their suspension travels by using their arms. There is no issue there.

Remember, I have a MC front track bar. Even though I don't care for the heim joint, it mostly does what it claims to do. If you are in search of a comfortable ride, then exploring what it and the arms might not do any better than anything else is a topic worthy of its own thread.

 

[MaloStapalo]

I'm willing pick at MC's fenders far more than their bushings. No one is going mistakenly mess up their suspension travels by using their arms. There is no issue there.

Remember, I have a MC front track bar. Even though I don't care for the heim joint, it mostly does what it claims to do. If you are in search of a comfortable ride, then exploring what it and the arms might not do any better than anything else is a topic worthy of its own thread.

I have their rear track bar. So far my axle hasn't fallen out, so it does what it should.

 

[jjvw]

I have their rear track bar. So far my axle hasn't fallen out, so it does what it should.

It does that and some other things expected of a track bar perfectly well.

 

[tworley]

I'll have axle bushings soon enough!

I hear you on the fenders. When I first bought my Jeep I thought "metalcloak is where it's at", now I can't stand to look at them (fenders). I noticed a measurable difference when switching to their duroflex joints though (vs 20 year old worn out OEM). I'm excited to see what DF joints do on either side on the front end

 

[AndyG]

I love it when a thread starts as one thing , then someone ends up throwing in someone's fat alcoholic mother before it's over . I'm laughing so hard .

Imagine retrofitting a metalcloak jk snorkel to a TJ, now that would be an awesome thread . Somebody would get killed.

Maybe this isn't the time or place , but waaaaay before I got on here , I looked at snorkels and thought ..." do you mean to tell me that you might have to drive in water that deep ?" As if it's not going to basically destroy everything else.

I'm all for it.... on a Humvee with half of Baghdad shooting at you as you escape , going submarine might be a good option .

I think the real rub is we hate to see any nice TJ see that fate , and we squawk.

New rule - if you run a snorkel , we require the little propeller in the hitch they sell too.

 

[Drizit]

Hmm I wonder how long that propeller would last on my jeep.

I think I tick most of the counter culture boxes on this forum.

I run a snorkel (because I felt I needed it when stock, after loosing a motor in my JK at least partially to excessive splash and deep water. Never hydrolocked but you could see from the exhaust when it was breathing water) I no longer need it given the height of my jeep, and will be converting to a cowl intake. I sure would recommend it to someone like the OP though, given his usage. The water may slowly kill other parts but if the breathers are raised or its a manual trans at least the rescue will get done.

I run Metalcloak fenders and find they provide the clearance I need given my up travel limits.

I run a long arm with 3.5" springs
3 link front 4 link rear
I like it, I went from stock to that after having done a budget lift on my jk and deciding not to do it on the TJ. I enjoy the flex (although I'm sure the same joints on a short arm would do the same) I like the fact that I never hit my front drive shaft as the lower control arm protects it well. I've been hung by the rear lower brackets but never an arm, they just act as sliders. (although my axle side brackets don't hang below the axle tube so that helps)

These counter culture things can be done effectively, they frequently arn't I'll admit, but when done right they can provide significant gains.

The one that gets me is people always saying if you are deeper than the air box you are killing the jeep anyway. It's a couple hundred degrees in the engine bay, how long do you think it stays wet in there? If you are deeper than the bottom of the fan you will be spraying the hell out of things anyway. Worried about connections outside the engine bay? OK well the ones that matter are on the trans, in that case if you go above the frame you are in trouble. Worried about axle contamination? Better not go above the bottom of the axle tubes. Solution? Change the gear oil regularly and be prepared for front seals every few years. I've never had an electrical issue (knock on wood) with 6 years of regularly wheeling this LJ "too deep" according to conventional wisdom. Another reason for some intake mods is entry angle, if you drop off a steep bank the front may submerge then come back up when the rear wheels level off. A snorkel or cowl intake can save you a bad day given the trumpet location on the stock air box.

There's lots of reasons to do things just because some of them are bad doesn't mean that all are... Unless it's a 3" body lift, there's no good reasons for that.

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There must have been a time
when we could have said no.