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Non highline fenders advantages?

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4" suspension and 1.25" body. Shock and bump dictate my up travel. 33" tire on MC fenders. I could run a 35" tires but would need to add bump for 37s. No more up travel due to the shock arrangement I picked during fitment.

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Because I know you are not advocating that we build and operate normally without shocks installed.

Shocks dictate the suspension travel.

I was pointing out the extreme for the fenders. If I add the shock back in will I get as much articulation?

I'm not advocating anyone do anything I say.
 
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No opinion but I am going to feed the fire 🔥.
This thread is too entertaining to not.

4" suspension and 1.25" body. Shock and bump dictate my up travel. 33" tire on MC fenders. I could run a 35" tires but would need to add bump for 37s. No more up travel due to the shock arrangement I picked during fitment.

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Based on your description, your shocks are too short and the suspension travel is out of balance.
 
I was pointing out the extreme for the fenders. If I add the shock back in will I get as much articulation?

I'm not advocating anyone do anything I say.

You are answering the question, while also demonstrating that you can understand things without direct experience. Keep going.
 
No opinion but I am going to feed the fire 🔥.
This thread is too entertaining to not.

4" suspension and 1.25" body. Shock and bump dictate my up travel. 33" tire on MC fenders. I could run a 35" tires but would need to add bump for 37s. No more up travel due to the shock arrangement I picked during fitment.

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I don't think this is really saying much in either direction for the MC fenders, I have 33s a 2" lift 1.25"BL and stock fenders and my tire still fits
 
Not if you need to add bump stop extension for a larger tire. Then you end up with unused shock travel.

Correct. If I wanted to put on 37s my shock travel would not be 50/50. I would loose up travel adding 37s. With 35s nothing would change on my set up. I think this photo supports what you are saying. I have 4" and 1.25 body needed to clear 35s with stock fenders and this photo shows 33s are very close to hitting metal cloak on the same set up. I could run 35s max.
 
It really depends on which fenders you install. The standard flat style fender will give you some more up travel over the OEM fenders. I have the Motobilt fenders and got quite a bit more room over the stock fenders, not use up but also back. I gained slightly over 4" from the top of the tire to the fender. See the pictures below. The 6-1/2" is the OEM fenders; the 10-5/8" is the Motobilt.

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Fenders = metal part
Flare = not metal part
 
Correct. If I wanted to put on 37s my shock travel would not be 50/50. I would loose up travel adding 37s. With 35s nothing would change on my set up. I think this photo supports what you are saying. I have 4" and 1.25 body needed to clear 35s with stock fenders and this photo shows 33s are very close to hitting metal cloak on the same set up. I could run 35s max.

Then you're assertion is that larger tires might also bring with them more ride height, longer shocks, and potentially more body clearance in the effort to bring the systems back into balance. One aspect being that longer shocks redefine the suspension travels. This will require a resetting of the bump stops as part of their job of assisting the shocks as they define the suspension travel.

We can keep running around this; or we can acknowledge that the build, whatever it is, is largely centered around how the shocks dictate the suspension travel. Do that and a lot of this grandstanding confusion goes away.
 
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