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The good ole "oh shit we made something noone wants" move

Certain "people" wanted it...

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I'm sure there were no financial incentives involved.
 
Beat me to it.


I've been very happy with my chebby volt, and think EREVs like that are the way to go with today's tech and infrastructure. Electric really is best for the daily commute, and gas is best for long trips. For those that can only have 1 car (losers!) EREVs cover both. If they can be produced affordably.

I still want to add a Tesla as a commuter but the technology isn't there for distance or hauling so it'd never replace my truck especially how we run it.
 
There's still one limitation with EVs, and certain hybrid setups, that I just don't see the market overcoming anytime soon, and that is deprecation and repair cost, which is the primary reason I will not consider one. I read a statistic a year or two ago that said the average age of a tagged vehicle in my state is almost 15 years old. At 15, the average ICE vehicle still has life and value while the average EV/hybrid battery is dead and cost more to replace than the vehicle is worth, rendering it a brick with about the same scrap value.

Average maintenance costs and total lifecycle costs are lower for EVs, at least with recent historical gas prices. Gas under $2 probably changes that, but I don't think we can expect that to last.
 
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It depends on how much you drive, if you're like me, it doesn't really matter how much it costs per mile because I don't drive enough for that to offset the cost of insurance and purchase price.

I also like that my normal vehicles lives are extended (temporally) because I don't drive much.
 
I may have a new job requiring a daily commute again. I though about a small EV car for that, or if the dumb government would allow it a small Honda, Toyota, or Mazda truck. I had a B2200 for a while and something that size again would fit the bill.

I read that Trump signed something about KEI cars like they drive in Japan. I'd grab a new Suzuki 4x4 (upgraded Samurai) for under $10,000 if they let them back into the market.

In 25 years, I've been hit 4 times driving back and forth to work. Not to mention the storm and hail risks.
 
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Average maintenance costs and total lifecycle costs are lower for EVs

I've heard/read that argument, always at a very surface level "electricity-is-cheaper-than-gas", but I've never seen actual cost on paper, have you? As a sole proprietor, I own and operate a work vehicle, and I need to know my actual expenses. Lately I've been running Civics and I know it cost approximately $0.25 per mile for those cars to run (fuel, oil, tires, brakes, taxes/insurance, all typical maintenance, and depreciation for time/miles, etc.) I also know that it cost about 3X that to operate my truck or Jeep, but that really has nothing to do with this convo, just extra info that I figured out. I honestly can't imagine something like a Tesla Model 3, the most comparable to a Civic, could be operated at total cost for significantly less than $0.25 per mile. Sure, the fuel to run an EV is cheaper, but typical maintenance parts/services cost more and general depreciation is generally greater for these EVsover the life of the vehicle, plus the whole end-of-life issue.
 
In 25 years, I've been hit 4 times driving back and forth to work.

With the size/weight of the average modern vehicle, that's a concern of mine about the smaller vehicles. I drive a relatively recent generation Civic daily, and it's a pretty safe and robust vehicle, but if something like a EV Hummer or 3500 hit me hard, God forbid one of the flip flop truckers gets behind me, I don't have much of a chance, at least not like if it was a similarly sized vehicle.
 
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I've heard/read that argument, always at a very surface level "electricity-is-cheaper-than-gas", but I've never seen actual cost on paper, have you? As a sole proprietor, I own and operate a work vehicle, and I need to know my actual expenses. Lately I've been running Civics and I know it cost approximately $0.25 per mile for those cars to run (fuel, oil, tires, brakes, taxes/insurance, all typical maintenance, and depreciation for time/miles, etc.) I also know that it cost about 3X that to operate my truck or Jeep, but that really has nothing to do with this convo, just extra info that I figured out. I honestly can't imagine something like a Tesla Model 3, the most comparable to a Civic, could be operated at total cost for significantly less than $0.25 per mile. Sure, the fuel to run an EV is cheaper, but typical maintenance parts/services cost more and general depreciation is generally greater for these EVsover the life of the vehicle, plus the whole end-of-life issue.

Nothing on paper, no. Everything I've seen was digital. When I find a new analysis I can print it out for you. j/k
 
It depends on how much you drive, if you're like me, it doesn't really matter how much it costs per mile because I don't drive enough for that to offset the cost of insurance and purchase price.

I also like that my normal vehicles lives are extended (temporally) because I don't drive much.

Of course cost per mile effects every driver. Total cost of driving includes all those things plus maintenance and mileage . You cost per mile would be higher since you don't drive much . But , that cost would be stupid high if you bought a new high mile to the gallon car . Your Chevy truck doesn't get high mileage ,but since it's paid for , is older , and not a higher risk vehicle in insure , you are ahead in the cost game.
 
With the size/weight of the average modern vehicle, that's a concern of mine about the smaller vehicles. I drive a relatively recent generation Civic daily, and it's a pretty safe and robust vehicle, but if something like a EV Hummer or 3500 hit me hard, God forbid one of the flip flop truckers gets behind me, I don't have much of a chance, at least not like if it was a similarly sized vehicle.

I drive a lifted, relatively light weight vehicle, with no doors or roof for a good portion of the year. I don't think it would be a big difference as long as I don't take it on the interstate out of town. Most of my commute is stop/go traffic and 45 mph top speed.

I'd feel fine driving a Jimny in town. 26-31mpg city/35-40 mpg hwy depending on the type. They make a 4 door version that gets worse mpg but still blows away a TJ.

In Japan, the lowest base model starts at around $11,000 new off the lot. KEI cars get down into the $5000-6000 range new. That would definitely put some downward pressure on new car prices. I'd have purchased those types of little cars with manual transmissions for the kids if they were available when they first got their licenses.

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