EV thread

[lBasket]

Well, look at that, I'm "well off". Learn something new every day. Now, can I borrow a dollar, for a friend?

I think I'm the cheapest guy on the forum, so I'll only loan you a dollar for 18%, compounded weekly

That line for "normal" seems to be 2-3 vehicles per household. Anything above that and people start side-eyeing you, or so I’ve heard.

Yeah I think having 1 car per person, sometimes with a backup car, seems to be more normal outside of car enthusiasts

 

[ColoJeep]

We were talking about this at work the other day

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Grand coulee is the largest generator in the country by nameplate capacity and it makes just under 7GW... They certainly can't build that in a few years. Will be interesting to see how this plays out plus EVs

Oh don't be concerned at all , a few PV panels on the roof and they will be living in a green utopia of free energy ......

 

[lBasket]

Oh don't be concerned at all , a few PV panels on the roof and they will be living in a green utopia of free energy ......

Just not in my backyard... And not near wetlands.... And not near any bird habitats... And not near any sources of water... And not somewhere I can hear the construction... And not somewhere I can see them... And...

 

[BlueC]

Just not in my backyard... And not near wetlands.... And not near any bird habitats... And not near any sources of water... And not somewhere I can hear the construction... And not somewhere I can see them... And...

Don't forget the noise. I've been near a few "solar farms", like within 100–200 yards, and could hear a constant low level buzzing. There's no way I'd voluntarily live around a large solar array. That's shit would drive me crazy.

 

[lBasket]

Don't forget the noise. I've been near a few "solar farms", like within 100–200 yards, and could hear a constant low level buzzing. There's no way I'd voluntarily live around a large solar array. That's shit would drive me crazy.

Okay NIMBYer

Average time to get through the interconnection queue in PJM was 5y in 2023 lol

 

[Apparition]

Yeah I think having 1 car per person, sometimes with a backup car, seems to be more normal outside of car enthusiasts

Rookie numbers

 

[ColoJeep]

Rookie numbers

Maybe some people didn't realize that playing with a couple of dozen Hot Wheels at one time , is actually preparing you for adult life .

 

[BlueC]

Personally, I think it's foolish to not have at least 1 back up vehicle. You don't have to go full retard with multiple project vehicles like some people do, but having at least 1 spare vehicle can keep you going to work when the primary vehicle has a failure.

 

[InOmaha]

Okay NIMBYer

Average time to get through the interconnection queue in PJM was 5y in 2023 lol

I'm looking at additional generation needed by 2032. 425 MW came online this year, building another 925 MW now to start up in 2-3 years, and another 1,400 MW going though the SPP interconnection study process.

The Google data center and Amazon fulfillment center took over 400MW out of the system here. As much power as two suburbs to the south of the metro.

I bet when it gets really hot and they want me to turn my AC to 79 or off, those places don't get the same requests. I work for the power people and I'm not putting in a thermostst they can control. They are updating all the power meters to smart meters that run on a mesh network. So we'll see where that leads.

 

[lBasket]

I'm looking at additional generation needed by 2032. 425 MW came online this year, building another 925 MW now to start up in 2-3 years, and another 1,400 MW going though the SPP interconnection study process.

The Google data center and Amazon fulfillment center took over 400MW out of the system here. As much power as two suburbs to the south of the metro.

I bet when it gets really hot and they want me to turn my AC to 79 or off, those places don't get the same requests. I work for the power people and I'm not putting in a thermostst they can control. They are updating all the power meters to smart meters that run on a mesh network. So we'll see where that leads.

Yep it's such a a huge disconnect between these data centers and what is actually feasible. and I agree the average Joe is the gonna be the one punished by the combination of corporate expansion and overbearing permitting processes. This recent heatwave was already really tight across the country

 

[MaximusLJR06]

The company I work for just bid a project to build four 1 million sf warehouses, all to be used for data centers. It's absolutely insane .

 

[Zorba]

I assume they are apartment dweller Tesla owners who need a charge.

Wow. They obviously have their priorities straight.

 

[lBasket]

Wow. They obviously have their priorities straight.

But Facebook says people can't afford houses now so why not just buy a new car!

 

[Zorba]

But Facebook says people can't afford houses now so why not just buy a new car!

Yea. "Facebook". Uh-huh...

 

[Zorba]

I like the TDI idea , but low sulfur fuel kills the pump in a couple I've seen.

If that's the case, that's VW's fault. Low sulfur fuel has been a reality for decades now.

 

[Zorba]

I think I'm the cheapest guy on the forum...

I probably out-cheap you!

 

[ColoJeep]

If that's the case, that's VW's fault. Low sulfur fuel has been a reality for decades now.

The big change was 2007.

 

[InOmaha]

I forgot Facebook. They have 3 large buildings, each on 160 acres (480 total). To the north of them across the street are 2 "google' datacenters on 320 acres. They say google when you lookup the address, but the place is surrounded by razor wire and there are no Google signs. Likely Google government contract data centers. A mile north of those two is an Amazon warehouse on 160 acres.

If we could plop down 1200-1400 MW tomorrow, the power could be sold almost immediately to datacenters. That's why they are trying to restart nuke plants. They relabeled nuke as carbon free power because they can't build enough renewables for the 24/7 data center loads.

Tomorrow is a process, since we are stuck with studies, regulations, permitting, and supply chain issues that makes building new gas plants closer to an 8 year process. We would need to buy gas turbines today to have them in waiting and those have gone up 20-30% in the last year. Land purchase, Interconnect application 2-2 1/2 years, turbine waiting list 2-3 years, GSU waiting list 18 months to 2 years, air permit 1 year, design and siting studies 6 months to 1 year, contractor bidding and negotiation 6 months to 1 year, construction 2-3 years ....

If I start today, I may get something online by 2033-2035, but will need to spend hundreds of millions upfront to hold my place in line. Land acquisition and fees for the interconnection study will run around $5 million alone. Total project cost, somewhere in the $1.5-2 Billion range.

That's before you get to talk to the public and get pushback from them.

Meta's data centers.

Google datacenters

There is a new data center being built on the north side of town.

 

[MaximusLJR06]

I forgot Facebook. They have 3 large buildings, each on 160 acres (480 total). To the north of them across the street are 2 "google' datacenters on 320 acres. They say google when you lookup the address, but the place is surrounded by razor wire and there are no Google signs. Likely Google government contract data centers. A mile north of those two is an Amazon warehouse on 160 acres.

If we could plop down 1200-1400 MW tomorrow, the power could be sold almost immediately to datacenters. That's why they are trying to restart nuke plants. They relabeled nuke as carbon free power because they can't build enough renewables for the 24/7 data center loads.

Tomorrow is a process, since we are stuck with studies, regulations, permitting, and supply chain issues that makes building new gas plants closer to an 8 year process. We would need to buy gas turbines today to have them in waiting and those have gone up 20-30% in the last year. Land purchase, Interconnect application 2-2 1/2 years, turbine waiting list 2-3 years, GSU waiting list 18 months to 2 years, air permit 1 year, design and siting studies 6 months to 1 year, contractor bidding and negotiation 6 months to 1 year, construction 2-3 years ....

If I start today, I may get something online by 2033-2035, but will need to spend hundreds of millions upfront to hold my place in line. Land acquisition and fees for the interconnection study will run around $5 million alone. Total project cost, somewhere in the $1.5-2 Billion range.

That's before you get to talk to the public and get pushback from them.

Meta's data centers.

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Google datacenters

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There is a new data center being built on the north side of town.

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They just reopened 3 Mile Island, right up the road from me. I believe it was solely for Microsoft to power data centers.

 

[Zorba]

Meanwhile, in Commiefornia:

See the bare space to the west (left) of the still extant smokestacks? That's where 1.5+ GW used to be generated - the plant that my late father helped build - that those green idiots tore out. Up top, the skinny building was once yet another power plant that was decommissioned many many years ago, and is/was the infamous "battery plant" that burned.

What is of particular interest, is that I was looking at this view just a couple of weeks ago, and the destroyed battery building was plain to see - now Google has back tracked and posted an earlier image. Isn't THAT just special?