My neighbors Rivian "El Camino" is between 95 - 100 K.
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My neighbors Rivian "El Camino" is between 95 - 100 K.
Yep my friend has one. Isn't that the old "preorder" price and they're 120k now? They're nice on the inside, too many features to break IMO but definitely not built for the masses.
Yes , He had it on preorder for about 2 years , since he wanted the largest battery/range pack. He received it in November of 2023 . Tires are the thing it eats , it makes up for oil changes .
This but - pretty much ALL U.S. Market vehicles are luxury cars. Even the "cheap" ones.
Let's take a hypothetical...
Lets say Ford loses 30k on a lightning and they sell 30,000. That means they need to pass that loss to another profit center. Lets assume F150 is that other profit center. There is 5k of loss built into every F150. Same with the others.
Building a luxury model and charging 100k makes up for that loss per vehicle and becomes break even.
The US is the only country that can afford these vehicles in mass.
The smaller Kia's are also losing but not by such numbers.
What i am intrigued by is the Scout business model. VW gave them 3B and created a stand alone business, like Tesla. Vehicles will not be sold by existing VW dealers.
I have a feeling that VW fell to the Biden pressure of ev mandates and then Trump was elected and everything changed. Without the mandates ev sales are going to slow especially if gas falls another dollar. This business model is perfect for walking away and calling it a mistake.
Only time will tell.
I agree, that Scout is very sharp looking. Drop the 3.6 VR6 engine in it and you would have a winner. Until then my money is on a loser.
Been watching Tesla model 3’s as I’d like one for a commuter car.
You could go buy one that does 0-60 in like 4 seconds for about $40k.
That’s not crazy money for the performance. The problem I see is that if I buy one still under warranty that’s a couple years old they are about $20k.
IMO that’s a huge hit for that new car smell.
That's one of my biggest concerns about EVs, rapid depreciation, but it makes sense due to battery replacement cost. I'm guessing the majority of EVs will be worthless bricks at 10+ years old. I won't buy something that can't retain a reasonable value when it's time to send it on.
A friend of my wife has a Model 3 (bought used), and it's about time for her to start wanting something different. She's been mentioning another Jeep lately, so maybe I'll find out how much of a hit she takes.
I would think it's just a byproduct of using an electric engine. Probably doesn't take much to produce that party trick vs increasing the range 25% is a multibillion dollar R&D investment.
EVs are starting to get to the point where the amount of charging time is getting too long. It's nice to get longer range but even a 50 amp level 2 charger will take 8 hours to fully charge a hummer ev.
This isn't horrible if it's in your garage (and you never leave town)... But that kinda plays into the "fit for the well off" narrative more, since you need to own your own garage to do it conveniently
To me it’s an additional vehicle, not a replacement vehicle.
I also own a bunch of cars, but I don't think that's necessarily the norm for people
True, I wouldn't even think about buying one if I was in an apartment. It is really nice to fill up in your own garage. Flip side is you better remember to charge it if you need the range the next day. You can always charge it at a supercharger but I think my electricity is half the cost of the supercharger.
I see people sleeping in Teslas at the charging station that is right next to a gas station on my way home from work. I assume they are apartment dweller Tesla owners who need a charge.
I don't have enough juice left in my current electrical panel to install another 220/230V breaker. Typical home built in the past before the big increases in power consuming devices. I'm sitting here in my home office with 3 monitors and a laptop. My wife has 2 monitors in her home office. Finished off the basement, multiple TVs, kid's electronics, IOT devices, ..... The average home is leveling off but the increase in power consumption of misc. has resulted in around 10-20% increases in home electricity use. New more efficient electronics help until you add more each year.
I've though about looking into another line and breaker panel for the garage to handle 220V heating and welding. I would definitely need it for charging an EV or two.
Data centers are the next big load growth for utilities. Projected to need up to 12% increase in the US power supply in the coming years. EVs would have been a similarly large increase, but I don't think they will take hold without mandates.
I guess my wife and I aren't normal either . 2 TJ's , a 4Runner , a Tacoma , and a 71 C-10 .
My wife's hybrid mileage still sucks in the winter, but last winter wasn't as cold. So the drop wasn't as noticeable. Summer it gets 30-32 depending on how you drive and the wind. So hybrid is still an option. I'd rather have a small diesel engine option without the DEF. The old TDI engines would power a small SUV and get decent MPG.
Well, look at that, I'm "well off". Learn something new every day. Now, can I borrow a dollar, for a friend?
That line for "normal" seems to be 2-3 vehicles per household. Anything above that and people start side-eyeing you, or so I’ve heard.
We were talking about this at work the other day
Grand coulee is the largest generator in the country by nameplate capacity and it makes just under 7GW... They certainly can't build that in a few years. Will be interesting to see how this plays out plus EVs
If a cheap high mileage car is in the cards , we had a bought a new 2000 Chevy Metro for $6800.00 , 996 cc. I-3 , 5 spd. commuting 40 miles round trip with a 3000' elevation change it routinely would get 48 - 52 m.p.g. It was a tiny bit better than a air cooled beetle power wise. These days "economy" cars cost so much , that the total cost per mile doesn't make much sense . I like the TDI idea , but low sulfur fuel kills the pump in a couple I've seen.
How's the battery holding up, and what's the real world life expectancy for it?
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