Engine Steaming

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Just bought a '00 TJ. Brand new to the Jeep world. Bought this Jeep knowing the steering box needed replaced and the transmission pan gasket was bad (it has sat for 2 years). Before it sat, someone put a new radiator, overflow tank, & water pump on. I test drove this Jeep for a weekend before deciding to buy it.

I topped off the coolant level, and the next day, it started steaming every time I would turn it off. Not a lot of steam, but enough to look bad when I would park it. Gauge on the dash shows it running right under 210, and all visual inspections show now obvious leaks. First time it did it, I thought I was burning up the power steering pump, since the steering box is leaking. Checked fluid level, it was low, immediately filled it up. Good to go, so I thought.

It was still steaming, still not showing it overheating. I check all of the remaining fluids, transmission fluid is good, I know I have to keep adding until I get that gasket done, oil is good, dirty, needs changed, but no obvious signs of coolant in the oil. I add a little more coolant, and it's still doing it. The first time I added coolant, it wasn't bad low, just right at the add mark, the second time, I filled it to the full mark.

It seems like most of the steam is coming directly from the radiator, and still, the engine isn't showing it's overheating, at least on the gauge. Things I immediately thought of, maybe the fan isn't doing what it needs to do to cool, so I started running it without the A/C to see if that would help, still same result. Thought maybe the radiator cap was bad, changed it to what I knew was the correct size and pressure, still same result.

Thought maybe there was some air in the system, so I burped it, still steaming. My next check is to pressure test it and see if maybe I do have a small crack or something in the radiator. If it shows good pressure, my next thought is to flush it out, thinking that after sitting 2 years, something has come loose and clogged the radiator. After some research, I see some people saying I should only be using HOAT coolant, and I'm wondering if that's what it had in it, and I added generic coolant and it's boiling or something.

My father in law is a good mechanic, and even he is at a loss for what is going on. 95% sure it isn't head gasket, since it's not overheating, no white smoke from exhaust, no coolant in the oil, and no oil in the coolant. The whole thing is baffling, if the engine was overheating, according to the gauge, it would make more sense. Any suggestions from anyone, other than what I'm already planning to do?
 
My understanding is Jeep Chrysler didn’t switch to OAT until 2013. So yes, our TJ’s are supposed to have HOAT coolant. It’s harder to find. If you mix them, I’ve read they can gel, which will cause all kinds of issues.

you didn’t have this issue until you added coolant, I would flush the system and start over.

Seems to me either it’s boiling at a lower temp which means the coolant is compromised or there is a leak killing the pressure. Or, the sensor for the gauge is bad and it’s hotter than it’s reading, this boiling.

I’d personally start there, and the things you’ve done. Others here may have more , like looking for a leak in the heater core etc.

You said you’ve and your family have wrenching experience, so I’m assuming the thermostat, water pump, fan clutch etc stuff are all things that are common things to look at in cars.
 
I'm going to ask for some clarification here:

I topped off the coolant level,

How many times was the TJ driven without steam before topping it off?


...and the next day, it started steaming every time I would turn it off.

Was it driven without steam after the top off but before the next day?


First time it did it, I thought I was burning up the power steering pump, since the steering box is leaking. Checked fluid level, it was low, immediately filled it up. Good to go, so I thought. It was still steaming,

This fill up was the power steering pump not the radiator? Just double checking that..

I check all of the remaining fluids,

Those are good things but steam is steam and only comes from water and/or coolant. The other stuff would cause smoke.


The first time I added coolant, it wasn't bad low, just right at the add mark, the second time, I filled it to the full mark.

The first time you filled it TO the add mark or FROM the add mark? Did the first fill "start" the steam issue?
How far, and how many times, was it driven between these top offs?


Any suggestions from anyone, other than what I'm already planning to do?

Steam rises which makes it somewhat easier to find out where it's coming from. Since this steam doesn't seem to be caused by over heating, all I can say at this point is make it steam again and take a close look around everything under the hood. Even though steam rises you may need to get under the front of the whole Jeep to find it. If you're lucky you'll see the steam actually "spraying " out of a leak somewhere but it could be coolant dripping on some thing very hot and turning to steam so look for that too.

I'll also add that doing this in the dark with a really bright flashlight will make it easier. An extendable inspection mirror might help too.

Good Luck!
 
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maybe your radiator has a slight leak.
Check around the bonding clamps.
Also it could be around the cooling fins. Put a good eye on it and look all around.
 
I would just add that the steam could be from a piddly small leak, not big enough to make you lose enough coolant (yet) to overheat.
 
My understanding is Jeep Chrysler didn’t switch to OAT until 2013. So yes, our TJ’s are supposed to have HOAT coolant. It’s harder to find. If you mix them, I’ve read they can gel, which will cause all kinds of issues.

you didn’t have this issue until you added coolant, I would flush the system and start over.

Seems to me either it’s boiling at a lower temp which means the coolant is compromised or there is a leak killing the pressure. Or, the sensor for the gauge is bad and it’s hotter than it’s reading, this boiling.

I’d personally start there, and the things you’ve done. Others here may have more , like looking for a leak in the heater core etc.

You said you’ve and your family have wrenching experience, so I’m assuming the thermostat, water pump, fan clutch etc stuff are all things that are common things to look at in cars.
I'm going to ask for some clarification here:



How many times was the TJ driven without steam before topping it off?




Was it driven without steam after the top off but before the next day?




This fill up was the power steering pump not the radiator? Just double checking that..



Those are good things but steam is steam and only comes from water and/or coolant. The other stuff would cause smoke.




The first time you filled it TO the add mark or FROM the add mark? Did the first fill "start" the steam issue?
How far, and how many times, was it driven between these top offs?




Steam rises which makes it somewhat easier to find out where it's coming from. Since this steam doesn't seem to be caused by over heating, all I can say at this point is make it steam again and take a close look around everything under the hood. Even though steam rises you may need to get under the front of the whole Jeep to find it. If you're lucky you'll see the steam actually "spraying " out of a leak somewhere but it could be coolant dripping on some thing very hot and turning to steam so look for that too.

I'll also add that doing this in the dark with a really bright flashlight will make it easier. An extendable inspection mirror might help too.

Good Luck!

It was driven a good bit before topping it off, zero issues. I should add, someone did have this Jeep for about 2 months after it sat, but before I bought it, and they had no issues with it overheating. It didn't steam after the top off, however, the drive immediately after that was all highway, it seems to be worse if I do in town driving (which leads me to believe the coolant is bad, and it's not really a leak spurting on to the engine). Yes, I filled power steering as well, after I noticed the steam. The first top off of coolant wasn't to the full mark, just enough to get it a little above the add mark. Second top off was to the full mark.
 
The more I think about it, it really seems like it's a coolant issue, or a clogged radiator. After sitting for that amount of time, maybe some rust developed in the radiator, and it finally fell in. I'll definitely know more after the pressure test and a flush. Thanks everyone for your input.
 
After reading through this, and thinking more about it, it finally hit me it had to be a leak somewhere. No other possible option. I checked all the clamps on the hoses, pretty much every one of them wasn't tight. That seemed to fix it, then it started again. Decided to change hoses, since they could be dry rotted from sitting for so long. I changed the heater hoses yesterday, and one of them pretty much fell apart on the end it was so dry rotted. Still waiting on parts to come in to fix the upper and lower radiator hoses, but I really think it was leaking at the heater hose. Hard to tell if it fixed it since fluid was spilled during the change, and I imagine it will take a minute for everything to burn off. I only drove it for about 5 minutes after the change, nothing really to get it hot enough. I did burp it after the change, and cycled fluid through the heater core.
 
I would personally clean it vs letting it burn off. Degreaser spray and a hose without a huge pressure nozzle. I don’t like that stuff cooking on and the smell and sludge it will leave, even coolant, but that’s just me, I don’t like the stink.

also, if you clean it after fixing it you’ll see clearly if it’s leaking anywhere, or more clearly than if there was spilled coolant all over.
 
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Any time you have coolant spill it's a good idea to rinse it all away with clean water. That will accomplish two things, the clean water will evaporate quicker and show leaks easier and prevent the coolant from damaging the wiring (which could happen if left on long term)
 
I've never pressure tested a cooling system. Simple observation has worked for me. It sounds like this guy is on the way to getting it fixed. And yes, replacing parts that leak until it doesn't leak anymore is the right way to do it.