Yeah lol the driveway is dark and lined with rocks and I backed off of it. I ordered solar stake lights so I can see in the futurelow cars are fun
I feel your pain - less needing a winch, but back in the day I was backing my 91 Camaro out of our driveway in the winter with about 2" of snow on the ground - got the one rear wheel off the driveway all of 18" into the grass and got stuck....
Lost traction - couldn't go forward or backward - had to get friends to push while I hit the gas to get it to move. Left a nice mud spot (killed all the grass) where the wheel had stopped and spun...
Driveways - America's car killers....
