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Realizing it's a lot of work, but it would be super cool to compare the Sport on stock shocks, then put those JKS shocks on and see. Just saying.
Rancho's and JSpec will go on the Sport. Don't nkow which one first. The boys really want the Rancho's because they like how my Jeep rode with them. I explained that they won't be sitting at ride height in the middle of the travel, so they might ride different. We will see. Hopefully next weekend (10 days out).
 
In the last 10 days since I installed the new coils and shocks, I've almost had DW three times. It's happening when I am around 35mph and hit a pothole or manhole cover, especially on the driver side. I'm taking the tires to have them balanced on Tuesday. I attribute the cause to the shocks, which are just jarring. I never had this with the Rancho's, and my front steering components are good. Tires do need to be balanced though. I always just let off the gas a bit and the tires straightened up, but if I'd been going 45mph+ I think I would have been into full blown DW. 🙄 It will be nice to see how it drives after getting the tires balanced.
 
In the last 10 days since I installed the new coils and shocks, I've almost had DW three times. It's happening when I am around 35mph and hit a pothole or manhole cover, especially on the driver side. I'm taking the tires to have them balanced on Tuesday. I attribute the cause to the shocks, which are just jarring. I never had this with the Rancho's, and my front steering components are good. Tires do need to be balanced though. I always just let off the gas a bit and the tires straightened up, but if I'd been going 45mph+ I think I would have been into full blown DW. 🙄 It will be nice to see how it drives after getting the tires balanced.
Almost having death wobble is like almost being pregnant, isn't it?
 
I can't say I've ever heard of shocks causing death wobble. Tire balance, absolutely. Shocks, not so much.
I know, me either. I'm aware tire balance cause, but really, not a cause, since you have to hit something that causes the tire to go into defunct oscillations. Once the tires start wobbling, if they are out of balance, they will just get worse unless you come to a complete stop. I posted my experience to see what people think. I have never heard of this. When I had DW in 2017 for a couple of months, I balanced the tires 3 times, changed all my tie rod ends, got a new front TB, and still had a shimmy at 45-50. The day I got new tires it all went away and has been perfect ever since. Those tires must have been cupping, or something wrong with them.

What I'm experiencing is no shimmy, and I just did an alignment, I'm at 1/8" toe in. I'm going to check it again.
 
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I know, me either. I'm aware tire balance cause, but really, not a cause, since you have to hit something that causes the tire to go into defunct oscillations. Once the tires start wobbling, if they are out of balance, they will just get worse unless you come to a complete stop. I posted my experience to see what people think. I have never heard of this. When I had DW in 2017 for a couple of months, I balanced the tires 3 times, changed all my tie rod ends, got a new front TB, and still had a shimmy at 45-50. The day I got new tires it all went away and has been perfect ever since. Those tires must have been cupping, or something wrong with them.

What I'm experiencing is no shimmy, and I just did an alignment, I'm at 1/8" toe in. I'm going to check it again.
Slight change in tire diameter improved alignment, ran great for a while. Pulled wheels to install shocks and didn't put them on the same way so no longer perfect and DW ensues.

Just spit balling. Nothing above is factual.
 
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Almost having death wobble is like almost being pregnant, isn't it?
How would we know if she almost got pregnant? 🤣

I know Mike, but I've been through this before, and this isn't a shimmy. The tires have to be oscillating over a certain speed so that there is a certain amount of centrifugal force. I think that speed is around 40-45mph. I haven't been that speed because all speed limits in town in Spokane are 35mph or less. I admit it's very odd to attribute to shocks and tires being out of balance, but it jarrs and then they start to wobble. IDK. I'm open to correction.
 
Maybe, but if you have experienced full blown death wobble you'd know what the onset of said death wobble feels like, and therefore be aware not to poke the bear.
How would we know if she almost got pregnant? 🤣

I know Mike, but I've been through this before, and this isn't a shimmy. The tires have to be oscillating over a certain speed so that there is a certain amount of centrifugal force. I think that speed is around 40-45mph. I haven't been that speed because all speed limits in town in Spokane are 35mph or less. I admit it's very odd to attribute to shocks and tires being out of balance, but it jarrs and then they start to wobble. IDK. I'm open to correction.
Jim is right in what he's saying about full blown wobble. I've never had it, thankfully, so I'm not familiar with what it might feel like before it develops. I remember you chasing it when you first installed the MML.

I really don't think it's the shocks though. You also raised the front a bit, right? Longer springs? For sure, get the tires balanced, but also look to make sure the front end is in good shape again. Ball joints, TREs, etc. They are all in a new position.
 
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IDK, it doesn't make sense to me that it is shock related. I mean, shocks control vertical movement, right? They don't do anything for horizontal movement, that I know of. Then again, maybe I'm missing something and I have something else bad in the front end. I re-checked my torque on my front TB yesterday and did get a few more ft lbs on the frame side, but then it happened again within a few hours.
 
Jim is right in what he's saying about full blown wobble. I've never had it, thankfully, so I'm not familiar with what it might feel like before it develops. I remember you chasing it when you first installed the MML.

I really don't think it's the shocks though. You also raised the front a bit, right? Longer springs? For sure, get the tires balanced, but also look to make sure the front end is in good shape again. Ball joints, TREs, etc. They are all in a new position.
Good, I will check ball joints and TRE's. You are right, everything is in a new position. Something not happy.
 
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Double check the jamb nut on your track bar. Make sure that biotch is tight. Also double check your alignnment. You're taller now, so your toe has changed.
 
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I remember you chasing it when you first installed the MML.
That one was strange too. My rig may be sensitive to these changes since it puts everything in a new position. I remember talking to the guy at Brown Dog about it immediately after, since the DW occurred the day I installed the MML. He said it was unrelated. IIRC, blaine said something like the MML affects frame rigidity since it changes the relationship of the engine to the frame. This was part of my question the other day about the left tire raising. I wondered if it had any relationship of the torque produced by the engine and the front tire raising since the engine and frame are in a different relationship. You mentioned it was a longer lever, and it could have an effect, but minimal.
 
Double check the jamb nut on your track bar. Make sure that biotch is tight. Also double check your alignnment. You're taller now, so your toe has changed.
ok, will check that jamb nut

As far as the toe, I re-aligned it after the lift about 5 days ago now. I will check it again.

And Ball Joints. I have wondered if they might go sometime soon, not for any particular reason other than just 94,000 miles and bigger tires for at least 50,000 of that.
 
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I've had out of balance MTRs and it can get bad enough that at 35-40, the steering wheel would shake rapidly and violently. Any faster and I could easily see DW happening. If you know they're out of balance, its an easy place to start.
 
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I've had out of balance MTRs and it can get bad enough that at 35-40, the steering wheel would shake rapidly and violently. Any faster and I could easily see DW happening. If you know they're out of balance, its an easy place to start.
Tires first. 👍🏻 I've been meaning to get it done since April, but the tire shops around here were booked 20 days out then. Now I'm able to get in the next day, perhaps due to the lack of tire availability across the US.
 
Novak Conversions Jeep Wrangler TJ engine mounts