I’m not sure anyone is trying to flame the OP (except for the guy who made the black face comment) @Fouledplugs. We are trying to point out that what he might perceive as a good idea, is actually a terrible idea.
Anyone have a rock crawler?
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It is easy to select a competitive competition rig as an example to follow because for the most part, they wouldn't be doing it if there was not a high level of success. Yeah, we know that doesn't mean if you fail to follow their example that you won't have any fun.
The TJ with leafs that was posted, he would have a miserable time in JV. I'm not going to delve into all the issues much further than that, but tire size alone will not fix all that ails that rig for what we do. If it is very successful elsewhere, then does it really need tires that big?
I don't think it is a terrible idea. Everyone needs to take a stand once in awhile and then take that to fruition. There are few learning experiences with more long term not to be ignored impact than doing just that.
I totally agree here, I didnt say it was cheap. But as the builder of this stated, leafs were cheaper (as I said) to get on 40’s than modifying the JKU (example only) factory stuff.
I have no idea how well it rock crawls/climbs.
The builder/owner is quoted in the article saying, “the traction bar only limited wheel travel by half an inch and does an excellent job of preventing axlewrap.”
Pending a healthy blend of ego and humility, yes.
Nor do I. So, how do we weight and value the example?
I’m on board with leaning towards their builds/designs to see what works. And as I stated earlier, just as you did now, OP will have fun either way. I still believe it would be a bit cheaper to go leafs with a YJ. Thats just my .02 which is whats it’s worth via mostly speculation here.
Were you at 2019 KOH EMC? The only reason I ask is bc the winner was on leafs at all four corners...
Anything beyond 35" tires and I'd go to another site for information. What you're talking about is just a little beyond the scope of what this site is about. Pirate comes to mind. Honestly, no offense to anybody here but it just seems like there are better places out there for this information.
I was there as they rolled in. To put this into perspective, the relatively stock Toyota on leafs came first which was before the initial time cut off. Something that Savvy/Jeep was unable to do on coils with a near unlimited budget and choice picked drivers.
Something to remember when looking at Ultra4 cars is that they are built to spec. It doesn't mean it should be repeated for a recreational build.
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YES, go to pirate and ask the same exact original question over there.
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Haha, can you imagine? I'd love to see the responses just for the hell of it. Those guys are ruthless.
Would the word from an Ultra4 champion be of any value? He owns Marked Motorsports and builds Ultra 4 and KOH rigs.
He was quoted saying the leafs on his JKU build ride great and flex “like mad” off road: “The handling on the road is great and they flex like mad on the trail.”
From his website: https://markedmotorsports.com/jan-2017-4wheel-offroad-jp-featured-the-leaf-spring-jk-p-167.html
“2008 jeep wrangler JKU that was specifically built to be lighter, longer, and more capable then similar built JK's on the trail. Professionally built in 2016 by rock crawling, and Ultra4 champion Jake Hallenbeck. The JK features a minimalist approach by keeping it simple and light, while using quality components that work. Its design was meant for trail fun while keeping his children and wife safe. The jeep was featured in the January 2017 Issue of Petersens 4wheel & Offroad.
The main attribute you will notice is the jeep is mounted on leaf spirngs. WHY? This jeep can do 80mph with one finger on the steering wheel. There is no bump steer or any other negative effects on the street caused by a majority of suspension systems on the market.
Typical JK's have coil springs which are not captured (mounted) on the top. Weither turning on the street or flexing, nothing is pulling the body back to the suspension which lets the body roll. Add a locker, and bad suspension geometry, and the body roll is heavily increased on the street as well as offroad. Coilover shocks also work in the same way. They only PUSH UP, never pulling down, only adding to an already unsafe issue.
Leaf springs "pull down" as well as "push up" creating a perfect balance which also makes this JKU more capable offroad then the next. Leafsprings do have some spring wrap or wheel hop, but to alleviate the issue Jake added a custom traction bar which doesn't limit articulation. This JK has NO swaybar, and if that's not proof enough of the concept, or you dont think its capable enough, come take it for a ride!”
Wonder if his last sentence there is a bluff...?
Blaine doesn't exactly blow sugar but he has the right answer. Sometimes you have to man up and go where the knowledge is.
I agree with you. I'll bet there's a bunch of guys on Pirate who have done things like this and might have far more useful information than any of us here would have.
Of course the OP will have to be prepared to be "flamed" on a massive scale, since Pirate seems to be synonymous with that.
Isn't flaming just an insult? And your statment in 64 was a bit of a back handed insult. A mockery. Was it not?Oh yeah... that sounds a lot like "flaming" doesn't it?
I may be backpedaling now as I am only pointing out what was a personal attack. It was indeed passive aggressive which allows you to have one foot out the door when it comes to accountability.
A great way out of this is to say im looking too far into it, or that I’m making it a bigger deal than it is. I was just confused by the finger pointing.
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Trust me, you are looking too far into it. I was merely being sarcastic.
I hope the guy does do a leaf spring rock crawler (no sarcasm there).
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