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Which way do I go?

MBDIAGMAN

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I didn’t know the best place for this thread, so I made my best shot at it. Feel free to move it if there’s a better or more appropriate place.

I have done what I would call practical four wheeling all of my adult life. When I say practical, I mean four wheeling for the purpose of ranching, hunting, disaster relief, off-road vehicle driving in the army and the like. When I was young I did motorcycle trail riding and racing. I am at a point now where I want to do some trail riding and climbing for the pure meanness of it. A couple of my granddaughters are pushing me too, which is a big motivator.

When I started researching all this, I thought I wanted a CJ7, but it is now appearing that the coil spring TJ can be had for about the same money and give me a more up to date and capable off-roader. Now I’m at the crossroads of whether to buy or build. It appears that I can get a medium to high mileage, cared for TJ for something like $10K. It appears that if I did that, the mods, in general terms, would be:

o Solid roll cage
o. Racing seats and serious multipoint harnesses
o. Tire/wheel set of some size
o. Lift and suspension upgrade of some size.
o. Winch

For the moment , let’s throw out the subject of which way would be less expensive unless you think one course or the other will be significantly less expensive. Another consideration is my age. I am 76 and as of now in excellent health and physical condition for my age, but who knows when the inevitable time will come that changes it, so I would hate to tie up a significant amount of time doing a build while the grandkids stay home playing video games. On top of that, I have no trouble staying busy. I have two airplanes that I keep airworthy and try to fly as much as possible and spend time at the warbird museum volunteering for various duties.

I would appreciate comments, opinions, advice and just generally keeping me betweeen the curbs.


I have come across a TJ for sale that I have seen pictures and talked to the car lot owner. It is a FIVE OWNER vehicle(red flag number one) it has what appears to be a pretty significant lift, racing seats with serious harnesses, an inline six and manual( (I insist on a manual trans BTW). I think the car lot has ended up stuck with it and I can probably get it dirt cheap. He said that he had someone come to buy it and when they drove it, they had a terrible wobble. It sounds like the track bar is the problem which I think would be a relatively easy fix. He said that everything works. It is located over two hours away and I haven’t decided whether to go check it further. It doesn’t look super presentable, but something like this will end up like a race car, looking bad quickly. I haven’t decided whether or not to spend a day going to see it. I welcome suggestions about this. I realize how bad it could be, but who knows? It might have lots of good components.

On the other approach there are several well cared for, virgin TJ ‘s around to build one from that are in the $10K to $13K price range.

Thanks for any comments even if nothing more than “go back to your rocking chair old man and leave us alone.”

Who knows this might turn into an adventure thread or a build thread. It could go anywhere.
 
Not trying to be condescending but which trail do you expect to ride?



If you are riding trails mostly like the first video you don't need the first two things on your list. If you plan on going on the second video then you will have a lot of upgrades to make. First trail you should go with a more virgin TJ and the second video you'd probably save money buying something already built. Just my personal opinion.
 
Not condescending at all Hanna. Great information and food for thought.

Since my grandkids are involved, I would have the protection even on a mild trail, but great information. My driving style on trails will be something between those two videos. I’m not what I was when young, but I learned to drive in Germany and am an aggressive, some would even say belligerent, driver. I raced motocross and cross country in my younger years and did some drag racing sports car racing. I expect the vehicle to get a little beat up.

I would be driving like the second video if I had the equipment for it, but my style will be somewhere between the two.

Thanks again for taking the time to thoughtfully respond.
 
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Thanks Boogieman.

You are correct, tires are paramount with most any performance vehicle.

I think your advice is good. Take a stone stock foundation on skinny tires and see what it can do before getting out the checkbook for the rest of it.
 
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Welcome to the asylum. I went through a similar thought process before I bought my TJ, thinking of a CJ as well. But the allure of the TJ's coil springs brought me to the TJ. I'm 11 years younger than you, but still too old to bounce around on leafs. So here I am, but definitely a "first video" type of Jeeper. I admire and love watching videos of the guys that do "second video", but I don't want to do it myself.

P.S. Boogieman is good people - he has a lot of experience and is worth listening to.
 
On the other approach there are several well cared for, virgin TJ ‘s around to build one from that are in the $10K to $13K price range.

My style is also more like the first video and my kids are probably about the same age as your grand kids :).

I bought mine stock and settled on what I called stock+. Something I could use for carpool, but also have some fun on the trails knowing I wasn’t going to Moab and I’d have my kids with me.

This was a great reference for that type of build and I ended up with a 2.5in lift, 1in body, on 33s. https://wranglertjforum.com/threads/a-recipe-for-an-affordable-but-quality-2-5-lift.41687/

My 6yr old is in both pics and by starting stock, I own all the mistakes (and good choices) rather than trying to figure out what the PO was thinking.

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Well, I found a Jeep! No lift, no 37’s, but maybe it’ll do.😊

Seriously though, this is one of the artifacts at the museum where I volunteer. I’ve driven guests around in it, and it does a great job of making you appreciate a modern Jeep..😊

Edit: curiosity got the best of me. I went to the hangar for a tape measure. My new green Jeep has 30’s!😊

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Welcome!

I think you’re on the right path and that the fine folks here have already provided some good advice.

We picked up a fairly highly modded, but low mileage rig on 35’s about 2 years ago. We’ve enjoyed it as it is but we have spent time and money UNdoing what the previous owners did (some quality stuff, some questionable stuff) and making it more our own.

Going back, i think it would have been better to find a low mileage AND more bone stock example but after looking for about 4months, our rig was best out of the bunch that we could find.

How it started:

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Where it is now:

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There is a big difference between a CJ - 7 and a TJ stock offroad.The TJ will do things you would find the CJ - 7 struggling with . I agree with the thought of finding a somewhat stock TJ and build to your real needs.
One thing you might consider is finding one that already has a D - 44 rear axle . Otherwise you start spending money to upgrade the D - 35 to make it even usable . My daughters 96 street driven Chereokee had issues with the D - 35 carrier on stock rubber and an automatic. Have a blast making one into YOUR TJ !
 
He already went…the other way…
 
Well, I found a Jeep! No lift, no 37’s, but maybe it’ll do.😊

Seriously though, this is one of the artifacts at the museum where I volunteer. I’ve driven guests around in it, and it does a great job of making you appreciate a modern Jeep..😊

Edit: curiosity got the best of me. I went to the hangar for a tape measure. My new green Jeep has 30’s!😊

wow - you definitely went off the deep end! My brother had one and loved it. He is always saying he wished he hadn't sold it.
 
Yeah, is it odd that a museum sells an artifact? Or is that common?

Museums deaccession objects fairly often when the mission of the organization changes, financial goals or simple space restraints. Deaccessioning can take a few forms like donating, selling or even disposing. There is supposed to be a documented process of ethics and reasons behind the effort and method.
 
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Yeah, is it odd that a museum sells an artifact? Or is that common?

Ha ha I’m so confused. 🤣

I thought that was a GPW/MB that he took care of? Did he buy that, Or is he still looking for a TJ?

Feel free to laugh at me, it’s been a long week. Lol.
 
Sorry my joke didn’t come across. I did not buy the old Army Jeep. It belongs to the warbird museum and I drive it around sometimes hauling guests. I’m stil. Personally Jeepless, but working on it.

You guys will get accustomed to my strange since of humor.😳
 
Sorry my joke didn’t come across. I did not buy the old Army Jeep. It belongs to the warbird museum and I drive it around sometimes hauling guests. I’m stil. Personally Jeepless, but working on it.

You guys will get accustomed to my strange since of humor.😳

I appreciate you- you got me good. 😁👍🏻

too funny. 😁
 
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