Nothing I need, everything I want (2005 TJR, impact orange)

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So I'm considering building my own skid out of 6061. Especially since Savvy's is over $1000! I had a question about the skid @mrblaine built for this. The savvy skid had steel reforcements with small gussets that bolted at the front & rear, correct? It appears Blaine went a different route on this one. Are the crossmembers thick enough that fasteners simply go through the skid & thread into them? Or am just interpreting the pictures wrong?

Will let more knowledgeable members answer that.

Blaine has been some doing some super nice work in the back of the Jeep. Not a full reveal, but couple photos just to show some details. That red bag is the same one I posted in previous photos .. just to show the size. I will post some detailed photos and description later.


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Will let more knowledgeable members answer that.

Blaine has been some doing some super nice work in the back of the Jeep. Not a full reveal, but couple photos just to show some details. That red bag is the same one I posted in previous photos .. just to show the size. I will post some detailed photos and description later.


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The orange seats belts are a nice touch. Where are they from?
 
The orange seats belts are a nice touch. Where are they from?

Thank you. Blaine surprised me with that and it put a smile on my face when I saw it. Looks it came that way from the factory. With the Bartact covers with the orange center inserts it looks even better.

Think he got them from Seat Belt Restore but I will confirm with him.

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So I'm considering building my own skid out of 6061. Especially since Savvy's is over $1000! I had a question about the skid @mrblaine built for this. The savvy skid had steel reforcements with small gussets that bolted at the front & rear, correct? It appears Blaine went a different route on this one. Are the crossmembers thick enough that fasteners simply go through the skid & thread into them? Or am just interpreting the pictures wrong?
Sorry, Sri, if this is hijacking the awesome build you have going on.

This is my filthy skid out for a bit during the midarm + remaining work - left of the image is the rear of the rig (in case you're not familiar with the frame shape). Red is the second reenforcement (which I converted into a crossmember, I can't remember who did this first but I copied @jjvw on that mod). The green/yellowish is the engine skid bolts. You can't really get the "red" stiffener too much further forward since you'd be getting all sorts of interference (I saw a guy saw his front drive shaft in half a couple years ago by having something too far forward a few years ago - I think it was the Nth degree skid's lip?).

For the rear stiffener, there's flange nuts (I don't really ever take these out, but they could be speed nuts). The new crossmember has "speed nuts" similar to those you'd likely have on your exhaust manifold - a little u-clip with a threaded segment. The front (engine skid) are also flange nuts.

Another couple improvements could be either counter sinking closer to the frame to be "flatter belly" or counter sinking the bolt heads. Blaine has done variations of both of those (and others) on his builds I believe.

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Sorry, Sri, if this is hijacking the awesome build you have going on.

This is my filthy skid out for a bit during the midarm + remaining work - left of the image is the rear of the rig (in case you're not familiar with the frame shape). Red is the second reenforcement (which I converted into a crossmember, I can't remember who did this first but I copied @jjvw on that mod). The green/yellowish is the engine skid bolts. You can't really get the "red" stiffener too much further forward since you'd be getting all sorts of interference (I saw a guy saw his front drive shaft in half a couple years ago by having something too far forward a few years ago - I think it was the Nth degree skid's lip?).

For the rear stiffener, there's flange nuts (I don't really ever take these out, but they could be speed nuts). The new crossmember has "speed nuts" similar to those you'd likely have on your exhaust manifold - a little u-clip with a threaded segment. The front (engine skid) are also flange nuts.

Another couple improvements could be either counter sinking closer to the frame to be "flatter belly" or counter sinking the bolt heads. Blaine has done variations of both of those (and others) on his builds I believe.

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Yes, that's similar to the savvy design. The skid Mr Blaine is building for psrivate is a little different. They both posted pictures of the rear stiffener that was carefully contoured to follow the skid profile. It appeared to be thick enough to drill & tap for fasteners. It looked to be 6061 aluminum also. I don't think any photos of the finished skid were ever posted. Maybe it's not finished yet, IDK.
 
Yes, that's similar to the savvy design. The skid Mr Blaine is building for psrivate is a little different. They both posted pictures of the rear stiffener that was carefully contoured to follow the skid profile. It appeared to be thick enough to drill & tap for fasteners. It looked to be 6061 aluminum also. I don't think any photos of the finished skid were ever posted. Maybe it's not finished yet, IDK.

Mine is the savvy, fwiw. But I must have misunderstood your question as I thought you were looking to understand the now unreasonably expensive savvy configuration. Sorry!
 
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Mine is the savvy, fwiw. But I must have misunderstood your question as I thought you were looking to understand the now unreasonably expensive savvy configuration. Sorry!

That's OK. Every time someone has posted photos of their savvy UA, I saved them for future reference. I thought one day I'd buy the savvy version, but $1035, that's just crazy! I can order a piece of 3/8 6061 for about $400. And I like to build stuff.
 
That's OK. Every time someone has posted photos of their savvy UA, I saved them for future reference. I thought one day I'd buy the savvy version, but $1035, that's just crazy! I can order a piece of 3/8 6061 for about $400. And I like to build stuff.

I don't have anything to say about the new Savvy, but the good ol' days .. irrespective of price, the best thought out and the best performing stuff were the ones Blaine designed and built and Savvy productized and sold. The money you paid is more than just for the materials but also includes an amortization cost (for lack of a better word) of the intangibles that are not seen. I am talking about the (1) intellectual property itself (i.e. a design that is not patented) (2) the thought process for the design which only comes from experience and understanding both why something works and why it doesn't (3) the design iterations and effort and (4) the effort of productization i.e. after confirming it works functionally as designed, making something available in a form that is effective both from a manufacturing point of view and a customer use point of view. Every designer also deserves their fair compensation and a company whatever margins they deemed fair for the products they put out, for them to continue supporting customers and doing more good future products. Anyone that has even smidgen of understanding about how to get even a small scale product to market knows the level of capital investment, work and effort involved and it is not trivial. If you think about all that, what the old Savvy used to charge for the midarm kit was actually a very good price.

To put something out for public consumption that you can proudly put your name behind and confidently say "this is the best I can do" and supporting them to the level Blaine has done for so many years is something simply wonderful and to be respected. We live in a "order cheap stuff on Amazon and get it in 2 days" world and the level of appreciation people used to have for a lot of stuff has drastically diminished. We should be thankful and appreciative of folks like @Fluxor and @sunnysideup_lj that are doing some custom stuff for the rest of us and supporting our niche vehicle hobby.

Yes, there will always be companies that price gouge, there will be companies/people that sell junk without themselves knowing any better, or often even intentionally lie or mislead and sell snake oil to unsuspecting customers all to make a quick buck without a conscience. It's upon us to learn to differentiate good from bad and support the right kind of people wherever we can .. even if it's sometimes tempting to take the cheapest option and just not care.

None of what I wrote is for you directly btw - I well understand how cost can be a factor. I also understand that building is fun and Blaine has shared a LOT of good information over the years and he's never refused to help someone that approached him for help in the right way. I don't know if you have seen/followed @sab's build thread - his build is similar to this one in many ways and given he is building it himself, he has put out a LOT of excellent pics. Perhaps you will find the answers to some of your questions there.
 
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Not even remotely interested. I'm glad to explain how to get it done, I won't do any more unless it is to replace something that fails.

Thinking through these control arms you built a bit more, I understand that these are being used in a mid arm application with heavier duty than OEM CA brackets on both the frame side and the axle side. I also understand that the OEM control arms allow a certain amount of flex due to the construction of the arms themselves. Would you have hesitation running the clevite bushings in a rigid aftermarket control arm with the OEM brackets, or would that be likely to compromise the stock brackets?
 
I don't have anything to say about the new Savvy, but the good ol' days .. irrespective of price, the best thought out and the best performing stuff were the ones Blaine designed and built and Savvy productized and sold. The money you paid is more than just for the materials but also includes an amortization cost (for lack of a better word) of the intangibles that are not seen. I am talking about the (1) intellectual property itself (i.e. a design that is not patented) (2) the thought process for the design which only comes from experience and understanding both why something works and why it doesn't (3) the design iterations and effort and (4) the effort of productization i.e. after confirming it works functionally as designed, making something available in a form that is effective both from a manufacturing point of view and a customer use point of view. Every designer also deserves their fair compensation and a company whatever margins they deemed fair for the products they put out, for them to continue supporting customers and doing more good future products. Anyone that has even smidgen of understanding about how to get even a small scale product to market knows the level of capital investment, work and effort involved and it is not trivial. If you think about all that, what the old Savvy used to charge for the midarm kit was actually a very good price.

To put something out for public consumption that you can proudly put your name behind and confidently say "this is the best I can do" and supporting them to the level Blaine has done for so many years is something simply wonderful and to be respected. We live in a "order cheap stuff on Amazon and get it in 2 days" world and the level of appreciation people used to have for a lot of stuff has drastically diminished. We should be thankful and appreciative of folks like @Fluxor and @sunnysideup_lj that are doing some custom stuff for the rest of us and supporting our niche vehicle hobby.

Yes, there will always be companies that price gouge, there will be companies/people that sell junk without themselves knowing any better, or often even intentionally lie or mislead and sell snake oil to unsuspecting customers all to make a quick buck without a conscience. It's upon us to learn to differentiate good from bad and support the right kind of people wherever we can .. even if it's sometimes tempting to take the cheapest option and just not care.

None of what I wrote is for you directly btw - I well understand how cost can be a factor. I also understand that building is fun and Blaine has shared a LOT of good information over the years and he's never refused to help someone that approached him for help in the right way. I don't know if you have seen/followed @sab's build thread - his build is similar to this one in many ways and given he is building it himself, he has put out a LOT of excellent pics. Perhaps you will find the answers to some of your questions there.

Yes, I agree that all of Blaine's designs are brilliant & well thought out. I had no qualms with price before. I also understand the challenges of marketing a product. The problem is Savvy has increased the price substantially more than just materials cost. I like to do a little fabrication, so I might try it. I'm also following your build, Marklar, Blake, sab, jezza, Sunnyside, & others. If jezza gets to the point of offering a UA I would strongly consider it, if I haven't started on one.
 
If these don't show how much effort was expended to fulfill a particular set of requirements to at least generate 1 comment, then nothing will and if nothing will, then there is no need for any more. I do find that a bit sad and disheartening albeit not unexpected.

Have ya'll ever seen an adjustable rear spring seat that allows you to dial in ride heights between loaded and unloaded conditions? Yeah, me neither but this rig is getting them. Hell will freeze over before I allow a single pic of that to be posted.
 

I don't have any deep questions, but out of curiousity - are you leaving the rear sport bar padding in for aesthetics or is it just not worth removing?

I like the set up a lot and wish I could delete my rear seat but might try to adapt some ideas with just my LJ trunk space until my kids are older. What size are the water jugs? Have you tried lifting them in and out full? I'm sure it's doable, just curious if it's at all irritating since the angle your body will be at will be awkard.
 
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If these don't show how much effort was expended to fulfill a particular set of requirements to at least generate 1 comment, then nothing will and if nothing will, then there is no need for any more. I do find that a bit sad and disheartening albeit not unexpected.

Have ya'll ever seen an adjustable rear spring seat that allows you to dial in ride heights between loaded and unloaded conditions? Yeah, me neither but this rig is getting them. Hell will freeze over before I allow a single pic of that to be posted.
To be fair, I did “love” the post. And yes, I can definitely appreciate the level of effort required!

As for the adjustable spring seat - very cool! That’s one advantage that coilovers generally have.
 
No dog envy intensifies.

If we're encouraging [dumb] questions I am good at that!!

What are the piano hinges for? For installation/storage ease or to make it somewhat "adjustable" to fit in bigger stuff? Probably the former since it is bespoke to the specific stuff you intend to carry?

Are you worried about losing visibility through the back windows? Maybe I just think that's essential because I don't have a mirror on the passenger side.

How'd you find water jugs that perfectly match the cooler?? I like seeing the cooler with everything around it. The form factor seems pretty efficient. Still waiting for Jeremy to upload pics of his to decide which one to go with 😉
 
I can only imagine the amount of time & effort it took to plan that out, form the mesh, & then weld it together! Perfect little welds. Very cool! I wouldn't need anything quite that elaborate, but possibly some of it.
 
I think the interior build is great, all of the process to make everything functional and yet looks to be removable. Makes me think on how to do some of these. from the fridge tie down bracket to the side storage and the cubbies. Over all one of the best builds that has me thinking.
 
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