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[chili_pepper]

I think exposure to firearms is something everyone should be taught in school from the safety and familiarization perspective, so that if a firearm is found it’s handled appropriately. Self defense training is a whole different animal.

This.

Not suggesting they have to like it or take it up as a hobby. The training would NOT be supplied or instructed by the government or any lefty liberal school board/administration. As we've seen, they could feck up a wet dream...and have done worse in seriously screwing up and over many in our younger generations...something we will be paying for in many decades to come. Unfortunately, this was not an accident.

I forgot Mrs App also had to take hunters safety but as a 30 year old taking it with a bunch of 12 year olds. Gotta take it to get a hunting license here.

This was a requirement in PA when I started hunting at 13. I looked forward to it much like getting my driver's license. It was a right of passage, another step towards being a functional adult.

I found her a female NRA instructor for one on one sessions.

If I'm not mistaken, didn't Kalifornistan just decided these are no longer qualified to train people for government mandated training obligations, unless also certified by the state? Absurd...but not surprising from the left coast.

I grew up very rural and have been around guns all my life and was lucky to hunt alongside my dad.

Semi-rural here and with my stepfather and grandfather, but similar experience.

I had learned to shoot a .22 bolt gun and 20 gauge shotgun by family long before the hunter safety course. I also got shooting training in the Scouts. We were taught from an early age not to touch anything in any anyone's gun cabinets (actual pieces of wood furniture with a glass doors) or on gun racks without explicit permission. These things were not toys but expensive tools to be handled with reverence and respect, and they belonged to someone else. We didn't need laws penned by pinhead politicians who know nothing of firearms to tell us what to do. Fear of my stepfather's and/or grandfather's disappointment (as well as a swift boot in my ass) was more than enough to keep me in line.

Many schools near me also have trapshooting teams which is becoming more popular and I see that as a good thing.

I was surprised to find out just recently that this is the case where I currently live, though the Eastern Shore of MD is considered by many on the other side of the bay to be a foreign land (and is definitely not nearly as lib/dem as the rest of the state). I suspect schools west of here do not offer trapshooting and would never consider it. Like many school systems in this nation today, they prefer subliminal, ideological subjugation over individual empowerment...and it shows in the young people they produce.

I want less government and more freedoms.

As we all should, it's what the founders intended (most of them, anyway). Our government is entirely too large, entirely too expensive and completely ineffective...and they couldn't genuinely give two shits about the people they're supposed to serve. There isn't a single rotten soul in DC (or Annapolis) qualified to be my leader morally, ethically or intellectually. I would strongly suggest anyone who doesn't feel that way have a serious "come to Jesus" with themselves ASAP. These people are NOT leaders, they're politicians and criminals. Garbage in, garbage out.

Seeing as this is a Jeep secure storage thread and at the risk of totally derailing it, I'll shut my yapper.

 

[sam53]

Thank you Chili, i could not agree with you more! Im glad to say I am 71, and maybe wont be around to see the end of the greatest country in the world. F..king Lefties

 

[Viking Jeeper]

It'll keep the casual stop-by thieves away (or hammering), but if you have traveling car door checkers like my neighbor has (and I'm in a border suburban/rural area) they could circle back with that data...

Tuffy would be better served putting that # on the lock lung, not the cylinder. And if you lose the Key, you drill...

Appreciate the comment because I have a Tuffy under seat drawer sitting on-hand to go in my Jeep and I'll pic then grind off that #.

I would actually get their under seat box for storing a firearm for brief periods but the one that fits under the fold and tumble barely fits a Leatherman.

 

[JMT]

I couldn't disagree more. Parental gun skills are too variable, neither of my parents knew anything about guns. Nothing at all. Leaving all firearms training to a father or mother would be a huge (!!!) mistake.

And no one said training should be provided by the government. There are too many private firearms training courses that teach solid fundamentals, something few parents can. I received military firearms training but I received better self-defense training from private instructors.

To me, not requiring some form of formal firearms training to have a realistic level of training and safety for those who want to carry is insane. My own state Florida just removed the requirement that gun purchasers have some formal training and that scares the crap out of me. Even driving a car requires formal training but not carrying a gun? When I obtained my CA CCW then FL CCW I had to show them proof I had passed a firearms safety course. Not even that is required now in FL. Again, that really scares the hell out of me.

Here's just one basic example... a thought process a non-trained individual is not going to be thinking about in a shooting situation is what's in front of and behind what he's about to shoot at? What will he hit if he misses or the bullet passes through the target? An innocent person?

That's only part of the kind of training an untrained shooter is not going to get. And nope not much of this is common sense for the many idiots out there.

Movies will tell you everything you need to know about guns and bullets.

 

[JMT]

Good training at an early age is ideal. Used to be standard in the public schools about 60 years ago.

Treat all guns as loaded,
Don’t put finger on trigger till ready to engage target
Know your backstop
Never point gun at anything not willing to totally destroy

We trained our kids with the Eddie the Eagle videos before they were ready to shoot. I’d leave unloaded guns around the house to test them.

If you see a gun,

Stop
Leave the area
Tell an adult

When they came and told me I’d reward them $10. Thinking back I think I’ll do the test again today. It’s been many years.

 

[Jerry Bransford]

We trained our kids with the Eddie the Eagle videos before they were ready to shoot. I’d leave unloaded guns around the house to test them.

If you see a gun,

Stop
Leave the area
Tell an adult

When they came and told me I’d reward them $10. Thinking back I think I’ll do the test again today. It’s been many years.

That $10 reward is an excellent idea, I will use that with my grandkids. In fact I have 3 coming over today but only one of them is big enough for me to do that with. I'll do that today! I'll have to borrow the $10 from my wife though.

 

[JMT]

I agree with @Jerry Bransford that basic training should be required for CC, but who knows how many criminals have any formal training?

When people start training it’s basic techniques standing still hit center mass or headshots. Try moving. Real life scenarios with cover or concealment changing magazines on the run. This is a whole other dimension. Takes a lot of work to be proficient.

 

[Jerry Bransford]

I agree with @Jerry Bransford that basic training should be required for CC, but who knows how many criminals have any formal training?

Criminals/gang-bangers don't have any training and that's why it's common for them to shoot innocent bystanders like little children when they spray an area with bullets to act tough or gain membership to their gangs. Fucking criminal assholes, all of them. At least we can be trained well enough to not do that.

 

[Viking Jeeper]

I dont like to advocate for further restrictions. At all. But Florida's requirement for training before getting a concealed carry permit is a joke.

What I'm going to say may be unpopular but very true. Florida waives the training requirement for military veterans (which I am). I served 24 years in the Navy the Navy required that I learn virtually NOTHING about guns. I think we fired somewhere like 10-15 rounds in boot camp. Years later, prior to deploying on the carrier we had to qualify with the M11 (Sig P228) because we carried that when going feet dry in Iraq or Afghanistan. The qualification standards were very low and virtually no training, just go to the range and bang away.

The remaining of my Navy firearms experiences were of a completely voluntary nature. In my first couple years I sought out a qualified instructor to get officially qualified in pistol and rife. This was not in any way a requirement, I did this on my own. I also volunteered for the All Navy Rifle and Pistol match. And have a trophy M! Garand to show for it. But this was all again, not routine, it was because I did the leg work and I wanted to.

If not a Veteran FL requires training and that the student demonstrate "the ability to safely fire a firearm". To some that means ONE round.

I learned about guns from my Father. It means a bunch to me as my Dad's brother was shot and killed accidentally by a friend when they were all teenagers. My grandmother died years ago but she NEVER got over that.

 

[bmcgc]

Many points made is this thread is exactly why I am a proponent of the death penalty and population control.

The US is the 3rd most populus country behind China and India.

Despite those two countries having 4x the population of the US, our murder rate and drug overdose rate are higher than both of those countries.

Our solution to crime is to build more prisons.

Our solution to a growing population is more government spending.

When violent crime and illegal drug use drops, so do all other crimes, especially property crimes.

Rome is burning and our leaders are fiddle players.

 

[freedom_in_4low]

I would actually get their under seat box for storing a firearm for brief periods but the one that fits under the fold and tumble barely fits a Leatherman.

That bad huh? I could tolerate being limited to a single stack if a 1911 would fit but you have me thinking even my PPK wouldn't go in there.

Op sec is the most important part of security, so any secure storage solution I would implement needs to be inconspicuous. A big armored console or glove compartment right out in the open just screams "break me open for a free prize".

 

[Jerry Bransford]

If not a Veteran FL requires training and that the student demonstrate "the ability to safely fire a firearm".

Florida dropped the requirement for training for concealed carry November 2023.

 

[Viking Jeeper]

Florida dropped the requirement for training for concealed carry November 2023.

Florida still requires training for the permit but yes, now that no permit is required one can legally carry without any training. Getting the permit anyway is still a very good idea.

 

[Zorba]

If not a Veteran FL requires training and that the student demonstrate "the ability to safely fire a firearm". To some that means ONE round.

True that - they handed me a Ruger Mark II and had me shoot several rounds into a bullet trap. My wife's experience was a bit more comprehensive - they had her use her .38 snubbie and fire a cylinder's worth at a paper plate. True story: She fired the first two shots, and the plate looked like it had eyes. The guy told her "Very good, now do a mouth." So she shot BANG, BANG, BANG forming a 3 dot mouth! "You've done this before!" the rather impressed instructor said...

I have a picture of this somewhere, I need to dig it up.

 

[chili_pepper]

Our solution to crime is to build more prisons.

Depends on where the crime occurs. Left coast, NYC, Chicago, etc....they get the "low bail, no bail" treatment, maybe a slap on the wrist and they're back out on the streets. Some of these mugs are repeat felons with multiple firearm violations....and they want to take my firearms to solve the problem....

 

[Viking Jeeper]

That bad huh? I could tolerate being limited to a single stack if a 1911 would fit but you have me thinking even my PPK wouldn't go in there.

Op sec is the most important part of security, so any secure storage solution I would implement needs to be inconspicuous. A big armored console or glove compartment right out in the open just screams "break me open for a free prize".

If I recall even a Glock 19 won't fit.

 

[FarFire70]

I would actually get their under seat box for storing a firearm for brief periods but the one that fits under the fold and tumble barely fits a Leatherman.

Hmm... Gonna have to test out the interior size before I install it. That's the exact purpose I'm going for.

 

[97JadeTJ]

I’ve been taking the ASD relay out of the pdc when I leave my rig on the side of the road when hiking, but keeping up with thread had me looking for something more permanent…I was skimming through Amazon and ran across this…

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CRRSZ4M1/?tag=wranglerorg-20

Pull the #11 fuse (PDC Coil) from behind the glove box and plug this in its place and route the cable and mount the switch in a spot out of sight… no cutting wires and completely reversible… this switch will cut power to the ASD relay and the fuel pump relay..

Yes I know that it can be hauled off and that’s why I have insurance… This is for those less prepared thieves!

 

[ChasUGC]

Depends on where the crime occurs. Left coast, NYC, Chicago, etc....they get the "low bail, no bail" treatment, maybe a slap on the wrist and they're back out on the streets. Some of these mugs are repeat felons with multiple firearm violations....and they want to take my firearms to solve the problem....

I think there are many countries other than the U.S. that have solved the gun violence issue. Deep down, I think all Americans know the solution. But, it is such a fiery issue, I don't think we are ready...yet.

 

[freedom_in_4low]

I think there are many countries other than the U.S. that have solved the gun violence issue. Deep down, I think all Americans know the solution. But, it is such a fiery issue, I don't think we are ready...yet.

Universal compulsory military service.