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Which battery to go with?

Here is the formula for picking type of battery generally speaking not Jeep specific.

For a Fully charged battery temperature extremes.

Wet Lead acid is good to Zero degrees.
AGM is good to Minus 20 degrees.
Gel is good to Minus 40 degrees.

You can charge a Gel Battery on a charger that has an AGM option.
You can't run a gel cell battery in a Jeep or automobile without changing the charging system out. Not to mention, again, that gel cell batteries don't have the amperage capacity of a conventional wet cell or AGM battery. Put simply, gel cell batteries are not a good choice for a Jeep.
 
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For all intents and purposes, Optima is the same company it was in 2000 (when Johnson Controls originally acquired them). All the corporate ownership changes at JCPS and most recently at Brookfield/Clarios were for tax avoidance. I don't know where all the "Optima has gone downhill since the sale" type of comments come from, but I suspect it stems from the same lack of knowledge and understanding that cause people to say stuff like "FrAm FiLtErS aRe GaRbAgE!". The same factories have been making these batteries for a long time - JCPS/Clarios makes 1/3 of all automotive batteries in the world, both for the OEM and aftermarket.

I haven never had an Optima battery fail prematurely and bought my first one ~1999-2000 for my Dodge. I think @starkey480 is still running the one I swapped with him when I sold him my GenRight stuff...

[Disclaimer - I previously did consulting work for JC and their close suppliers, both at U.S. and international locations]


When I worked at AutoZone, that was roughly the average on returned/swapped batteries. The store I worked at decided to beta-test one of those fancy "reconditioning" chargers. Over 1/2 of the lead-acid batteries that were warranty-swapped were able to be reconditioned back to like-new performance. They would sell them as "used" batteries on a small rack next to the main battery rack. My mom used one in her Sonata for ~4 years without issue before moving to Florida.

On a personal note, in my 16 years of living in Phoenix, I never had an OEM or top-shelf aftermarket lead-acid battery fail in less than 6 years.

Love my Optimas, it's the only battery I buy.
Plus, If they die before the die date, they replace it for free 100% no pro-rating.
Mine are never off-roaded, so there might be something there as far as dependency?
 
Tangent time:
Regarding optima batteries, it was 1996 and the mine I worked at started stocking optima batts in the warehouse.
At that time the manufacturer recommended charging for 8 hours before putting into service. There were instructions to do this that came with every battery.

Of course everyone ignored the instructions and just installed them.
They didn’t last obviously and were deemed shit and pulled from stock never to return.

On another note:
Heat and vibration are the killers of standard lead acid batteries
 
Mine are never off-roaded, so there might be something there as far as dependency?

The optimas my friends and I have run were in classic cars with zero off-roading. I don't think on vs off-road driving conditions plays a significant part in the overall issue. If you're getting an average life out of them, good for you, but I'm surprised.
 

I didn’t read through to see if someone addressed this, but I know I’ve heard people talk about Odyssey=Northstar for at least 3-4 years…looked it up and found a version of the story written in September 2019 on Northstar’s website. I think it happened in 2019, not that it really matters.

Apparently the “Diehard” series that Advance Auto now distributes is EnerSys/NS/Odyssey as well.
 
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I'm struggling to find the point being made, clarify it some for me.

The article I quoted put Odyssey, Northstar and Optima all in the same category of batteries using pure lead. I just wanted to clarify for those who get their panties in a bunch any time someone even suggests that Optimas aren't complete shit that the category is AGM batteries using pure lead, not that spiral cell Optimas deliver the same performance as Odyssey/Northstars.
 
Here is my battery charger. Will this work for an AGM Battery ?

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Tomorrow will be negative temps. For the next couple of days. My year old battery lugged a little today at 14F. I make sure to turn off fans and other loads when it gets this cold.

I put in the biggest battery possible. 750 cca minimum.

But its cold here. In a couple months anything will work. I'll toss in my jumper cables and jumper box . Plus some warm weather Carhart like work clothes with my boots because I don't want frostbite with the 25+ mph winds.

Tow gear, food, clothes, blankets candles, etc. Go in the winter trunk box.

Better safe.
 
Tomorrow will be negative temps. For the next couple of days. My year old battery lugged a little today at 14F. I make sure to turn off fans and other loads when it gets this cold.

I put in the biggest battery possible. 750 cca minimum.

But its cold here. In a couple months anything will work. I'll toss in my jumper cables and jumper box . Plus some warm weather Carhart like work clothes with my boots because I don't want frostbite with the 25+ mph winds.

Tow gear, food, clothes, blankets candles, etc. Go in the winter trunk box.

Better safe.
Consider permanently installing a battery maintainer and plugging it in during the coldest nights. I mounted mine onto the top of the air filter box.
 
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Tomorrow will be negative temps. For the next couple of days. My year old battery lugged a little today at 14F. I make sure to turn off fans and other loads when it gets this cold.

I put in the biggest battery possible. 750 cca minimum.

But its cold here. In a couple months anything will work. I'll toss in my jumper cables and jumper box . Plus some warm weather Carhart like work clothes with my boots because I don't want frostbite with the 25+ mph winds.

Tow gear, food, clothes, blankets candles, etc. Go in the winter trunk box.

Better safe.

Our next 3 nights are 7 , 11 & 16. And we’re in Mississippi . Guess what the humidity will be ! WET
 
I've never owned a charger or battery maintainer with a specific AGM mode and I've had nothing but AGM batteries in my TJs since probably 1999. Never a problem.
My battery maintainer says its specifically for a AGM but I really dont know if there is a big difference. I do know if we were talking about lithium deep cycle batteries they do take a specific charger.
 
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