We want people to learn. The push back comes in cases like this one where it is better to not weld something, despite knowing how to. It becomes an exercise in restraint.
Welding Axle Trusses
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We want people to learn. The push back comes in cases like this one where it is better to not weld something, despite knowing how to. It becomes an exercise in restraint.
Astala3
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It happened again! Anybody experience a "screen takeover"? I'm in the middle of tying my response and my window just loads some crap from my local internet provider? Is this a site thing or do I need to speak to my internet provider? I hit "back", it goes to Walmart website. Hit back again, it returns to the forum page and my typing is gone. This is CRAP. I'll just stop posting if it happens again!
Again, cause I was robbed of my response, you get the short version. Anything being welded has a potential to warp. Tubing doesn't warp easily though. Your thought of heating one side is backwards in this case. The heat on one side actually leaves that structural integrity un-compromised. The "other side" of the steel remains strong and prevents the warp.
The apology is entirely unneeded. I was never offended or insecure of my job security.
More often than not it is an issue on the users end.
There are a few people who have this issue but the others mostly seem to be some sort of malware on their end.
Astala3
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Allow me to challenge that thought a bit. As I understand it, you are of the belief that the truss causes more stress than it does provide strength. Have you personally ever ran a trussed axle? How did that axle fail? What exactly did you do that caused something to fail?
With those 3 answers in mind, have you ever hit that very same line on the trail, with like conditions and at the same speed, on an axle that was not trussed?
NO, it is nearly impossible to do so. You can't have two axles that have been through all the same crap and abuse come on the same trail and take an obstacle in exactly the same fashion. There are too many variables, not to mention every abusive maneuver made before the fail.
The truss kit I added is far more stout than others I've seen. I think it was like 60 lbs or near there. To suggest 60 additional pounds is going to over stress anything is wild. If these jeeps are that weak than we'd better not take any passengers on the trail. Better not have retardedly over built bumpers. Better not have extra body armor. Heck, if you are right, we better not take a trail with full tank of gas. 96lbs in a full tank! Come to think of it, I better drop my spare at the start of the trail.
I'm sorry. This is an internet thing. Everyone is their own wizard. Everyone knows everything best, without ever actually having done anything. Maybe you had a bad experience with a truss. That genuinely sucks. The fact remains that there is absolutely no way that you can definitively determine the truss to be the culprit. I can curl my truss kit, one handed, but you would everybody believe that my jeep cant handle it. Come on man, really!
I am sorry to come at this so strongly. I don't doubt that you probably have a great deal of knowledge on these jeeps. This isn't that though. This is a freaking internet echo chamber catastrophe. Two bulky truss kits weigh less than a single fat kid!
Well, let me try posing a similar question. Which would be stronger, a trussed axle, or one with Drawn overMandrel tubing with double the wall thickness?
I’m hoping not to promote any conflict. Just trying to learn.
I’m hoping not to promote any conflict. Just trying to learn.
Astala3
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That's great. I love a good laugh. That was a clever one. You tried to throw it back on me and hide your tap out. Good effort.
You've never ran a truss kit. I don't want to continue this. Just don't be the echo chamber without the personal experience.
I've been reading this forum for years. I fully understand that the tubes aren't the weakest link. I used them to assist in spring and bracket placement to convert 2 Yj axles for my Tj. Plus, they do look cooler than scrawny little tubes!
You are asking the wrong questions.
You keep on assuming a problem is solved with a truss, while ignoring the other problems that are not solved with a truss. Address those other problems and there still is no need for a truss.
Astala3
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Doesn't matter if we're still using Dana 30 ball joints
HHAHAHAH, my thoughts exactly! hahaha
Evidently, you want to get the manufacture's suggested component weights and then only choose the lightest one!
Again with the incorrect presumptions. I have a lot going on with my axles that includes control arm mounts in places other than where they started.
You are close to recognizing an actual problem not solved with a truss, and once addressed it undermines the need for a truss.
Doesn't matter if we're still using Dana 30 ball joints
Once we address the issue on a factory axle of the ball joints falling out of the stretched yokes, the value of a truss may increase.
The conflict with that premise is that the tire size where this stretching tends to accelerate is also the tire size where bigger wider axles ought to be considered as a matter of function. Use the appropriate axles for the tire size and multiple other issues of strength are addressed as a result, including any need for trusses.
Astala3
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Dude, you gotta be "one upper". You cant stop yourself can you?
The question he asked was about tube strength. That's it, trussed or drawn. Here you come again, thinking you know best. Just redirecting the question wherever you want to take it. He didn't ask about weakest links. Then, after your redirect, you don't even get there yourself. You just throw it out there like you know better and everyone is asking the wrong question. Give it up. It's already gotten old.
You might be the most presumptuous person on here. No one on here asked or argued what the weakest link is. There you are assuming that's the secret info that we don't know we're trying to discover and overcome with a truss kit. NOT THE CASE. Get that through your arrogant head. I didn't truss my axles to overcome the weakest link.
Please try to understand this. The weakest link is the weakest link both before and after the truss kit. The addition of the truss kit doesn't magically make it the weak weakest weaker weak link. It was before. It still is. No one said the truss solves that. just like no one asked what the weakest link is.
Got a lot going on with axles is cool. But you still don't run a trussed axle. Still trying that sneaky reasoning. Still don't have the experience .
What is the purpose of the trusses? Why bother to begin with when they don't address the more immediate problems? Start there.
For extra credit, you can show us where I said adding a truss weakens the ball joint yokes.
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Astala3
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I already stated the purpose for the addition. I will expound on it though.
I wrecked my jeep. Tore up the front axle. Got a killer deal on a parts jeep. $200 for a HP Dana 30 and an 8.8 with ARB air locker, 4.56 gears for my 33" rubber. That donor jeep is a YJ. I used the truss kits to solve the problem of not having spring buckets or any of the of the appropriate brackets to mount on my jeep. I also used the truss kit because I like the look. Putting them on my jeep solves the problem of not having that look. It's really that simple. Adding the truss kits solved those problems.
The only problem left is you assuming our intended use of them. I used them to solve those problems, not the problems that you are assuming every truss runner is trying to overcome. The more mostest mostiest mostly immediate problem that I had was a wrecked jeep no way to mount two awesome axles. Again, the trusses solved that problem for me. TAH DAH truss kits do solve problems after all!
I caught that edit too! HA and there you go again! The classic "one upper" at it again. so graciously allowing me extra credit. give It up already!
You've got to be trolling at this point dude. This is next level shit. Now you are relying on me not being able to pinpoint where you said it because you know you only implied it. You're not just sneaky dude, its like snake level reasoning and behaviors at this point. Again, I'm happy to oblige.
Your words "The push back comes in cases like this one where it is better to not weld something, despite knowing how to. It becomes an exercise in restraint." Before you continue on trying to snake your way around the implication, I'll address that too! If you weren't implying that the weight adds to stress on the weak link, then why is better to not weld something? What else could possibly be the reason for not doing it when all your reasoning is so focused on the weakest link. If you are in fact not implying that it further weakens them then there is absolutely no reason not to add truss kits. Without the very implication that you are denying, your entire objection to truss kits is dead on its face.
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