UAW ready to strike

[InOmaha]

Stellantis has an advantage of making cars around the world. So they can offer cars and have in house design and manufacturing people for them. GM and Ford, not so much. Car engineers and designers likely moved to other companies or are aging as new people choose car companies.

https://www.briggsdodge.net/blog/which-vehicles-does-stellantis-make/amp/

 

[CreepinDeth]

You've now pointed this out twice in this thread, but you're looking at it wrong. The "Big 3" moniker was for the three top-selling automotive companies, regardless of country of ownership.

Negative my friend
Domestic based corporate manufacturers

If you scroll to the bottom, you will see each nations “big 3” are their domestic brands

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/...Big Three Automakers?,Ford Motor Company (F).
The big 3 was ALWAYS aka “The Detroit 3”
Now thats not to say some revisioning may be attempted as par for the course in modern America, but its ALWAYS been the domestic manufacturers.

Toyota is the largest in the International landscape, with VW at #2. Toyota would never be referenced as one of “The Big 3” here in the USA. That would be absurd. However they ARE part of Japans “Big 3”

 

[sab]

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/...Big Three Automakers?,Ford Motor Company (F).

Throughout that article, they refer to "the Big Three" as GM, Stellantis, and Ford. Look at their key takeaways (bold is mine):

• The Big Three often refers to the three largest car manufacturers in North America: General Motors, Stellantis (formerly Chrysler), and Ford Motor Company.
• After decades of dominating the U.S. and global markets, the Big Three have lost significant market share to automakers from Japan, South Korea, and Europe.
• Competitors of the Big Three automakers include Toyota, Honda, and Nissan, companies that have attracted a loyal customer base for their reliable, fuel-efficient cars.
• The Big Three have all invested heavily in the development of electric vehicles, hoping to gain back market share with their new lines of environmentally friendly cars.
• The Big Three continue to maintain a large market share in the U.S., but globally, only Ford has been able to capture a market share comparable to other global brands.

If, as you opined earlier, they are now the "Big 2", why are they, throughout that article, continuing to call them the Big 3, even when Toyota has displaced Stellantis?

Congratulations, you moved this discussion's goal post.

 

[sab]

You know what, this isn't worth arguing over. I apologize if I've offended you, CreepinDeth. I didn't intend to. I think we both agree that "the Big Three" will always be GM, Chrysler (now Stellantis), and Ford, until they no longer exist. I see your point about the Big 2, since Toyota bumped Chrysler in the US. The bottom line is that when we in the USA don't keep our eye on the ball, there are plenty of foreign entities ready to take advantage of that complacency.

 

[Powers145]

Yep - when I was 18 or 20, I had it all figured out. Knew all the answers. Now, I don't even know the questions!

so so true lol

 

[Brianj5600]

I was watching a video this morning & the guy was talking about the strike and repeating the theory that the big 3 want this strike & in his view because they've been having a harder and harder time selling the behemoths they produce, maybe not as much because people don't want them as they can't afford them. This has led to large inventories that are sitting on lots, and rather than explain to their shareholders that they have to throttle back production because their product isn't selling, they've got the built-in excuse of the strike. Makes sense to me.

The Escalade sales numbers I have seen are slightly up over last year. The Arlington TX plant runs 24 hrs and early in the year they produced over 3000 Tahoes, Suburban and Escalades.

 

[CreepinDeth]

For perspective,
2022 Escalade sales were down 40% from 2021
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/0...mbers-figures-results-fourth-quarter-2022-q4/
2023 Escalade
It appears without even Q4 sales theyve nearly doubled 2022 sales in just 3 quarters
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/0...mbers-figures-results-second-quarter-2023-q2/
Im rather truly SHOCKED at that with the hyperinflation and rates

 

[Apparition]

For perspective,
2022 Escalade sales were down 40% from 2021
[URL]https://gmauthority.com/blog/2...mbers-figures-results-fourth-quarter-2022-q4/[/URL]

2023 Escalade
It appears without even Q4 sales theyve nearly doubled 2022 sales in just 3 quarters
[URL]https://gmauthority.com/blog/2...mbers-figures-results-second-quarter-2023-q2/[/URL]

Im rather truly SHOCKED at that with the hyperinflation and rates

Were sales down because nobody was buying them or was it down because they couldn't get them. New superduties were 11 month lead last year. Mine was 8 weeks in 2021. I'd like to see about a new one but there's still chip issues, the strike and damned prices skyrocketing that have me apprehensive.

 

[Woodrow]

...superduties were 11 month lead last year. Mine was 8 weeks in 2021. I'd like to see about a new one but there's still chip issues, the strike and damned prices skyrocketing that have me apprehensive.

What's wrong with the old one?

 

[Apparition]

What's wrong with the old one?

Nothing, They'll give me close to what I paid for it and I'd like another 25 HP and 150 lb ft.

 

[Woodrow]

Nothing, They'll give me close to what I paid for it and I'd like another 25 HP and 150 lb ft.

but how much more for the new one? Curious because I've been debating a new tow rig or mods to the old one ('08 Dodge 3500 w/ Cummins and 68RFE) and I've decided on the latter.

 

[Shank]

Nothing, They'll give me close to what I paid for it and I'd like another 25 HP and 150 lb ft.

For what purpose? They torque limit already.

 

[Apparition]

but how much more for the new one? Curious because I've been debating a new tow rig or mods to the old one ('08 Dodge 3500 w/ Cummins and 68RFE) and I've decided on the latter.

When I priced out the equivalent to my 2021 it was about $15k more for the new one. But they also bumped the HP in the package that I would want so it's more truck by the numbers. I'd have to see what they'd give me for mine.

 

[Apparition]

For what purpose? They torque limit already.

Because I can. I believe the torque limit is the first 3 gears. My current truck is a freight train, it'll already tow up I-70 with out dropping out of 10th gear doing over the speed limit as is. But more can't hurt.

 

[Apparition]

Ford exec says automaker has reached its limit with latest UAW offer

"Ford Motor Co. noted on Thursday that it has reached the limit of what it can offer the United Auto Workers (UAW) in a new labor contract. Despite this, the automaker remains hopeful that an agreement can be reached.

Ford has pushed a new offer to the UAW that features a number of benefits. These include raises totaling 23% for hourly workers, the reinstatement of cost-of-living adjustments, and a $21 starting wage for temporary workers. The new offer would also allow new hires to reach top wages in three years.

Kumar Galhotra, president of Ford Blue, the company’s internal combustion engine (ICE) division, stated on Thursday that Ford’s most recent offer is the most that it can do. If Ford improves the offer further, the automaker would no longer be competitive."

 

[MaximusLJR06]

Kumar Galhotra, president of Ford Blue, the company’s internal combustion engine (ICE) division, stated on Thursday that Ford’s most recent offer is the most that it can do. If Ford improves the offer further, the automaker would no longer be competitive."

I'm not sure I'd say they are competitive as it sits. $65K for a somewhat decent F150 is pretty outrageous.

 

[Apparition]

I'm not sure I'd say they are competitive as it sits. $65K for a somewhat decent F150 is pretty outrageous.

It's competitive with GM and Stellantis.

 

[MaximusLJR06]

It's competitive with GM and Stellantis.

In that sense yeah they are competitive, but the whole market is fucked. No way a standard pickup should cost that much money. Its just like everything now days.

A buddy of mine just got a new GMC 1500 that was $75K He had a 2018 Dodge 1500 that cost I think ballpark $55K new. Prior to getting the GMC he spec'd out a new Dodge that was the same model with comparable specs to his 2018 and it was $80K. That is plain nuts!

 

[Chris]

In that sense yeah they are competitive, but the whole market is fucked. No way a standard pickup should cost that much money. Its just like everything now days.

A buddy of mine just got a new GMC 1500 that was $75K He had a 2018 Dodge 1500 that cost I think ballpark $55K new. Prior to getting the GMC he spec'd out a new Dodge that was the same model with comparable specs to his 2018 and it was $80K. That is plain nuts!

Yeah, went through this recently when I bought our F150. The market is absolutely screwed.

 

[Apparition]

In that sense yeah they are competitive, but the whole market is fucked. No way a standard pickup should cost that much money. Its just like everything now days.

A buddy of mine just got a new GMC 1500 that was $75K He had a 2018 Dodge 1500 that cost I think ballpark $55K new. Prior to getting the GMC he spec'd out a new Dodge that was the same model with comparable specs to his 2018 and it was $80K. That is plain nuts!

It won't change until people can no longer get the loans for them.