Novak Conversions Jeep Wrangler TJ radiator

Tennessee Red

I need to find who left that so I can tell them that I am from Pennsylvania, not England and use Telephone pole, not telegraph. I tend to use jagoff in lieu of mate as well. Rest seems to be pretty accurate.
 
Heading to Hot Springs, AR tomorrow to be trail guide at Jeep Jamboree. All loaded up, I just need to throw mt bike on trailer in the morning and off I go.
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Very crunchy jeep. Have fun! Looking forward to more wild trail pics!!

No wild trail pics when your guiding Jeep Jamboree participants. It is just a whole lot of standing around like this:
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There was one nice little TJ in our group and AMS417 ended up having to pull him off his side :)

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Well I tried to redo my steering and upgrade to bigger brakes via the WJ knuckles and it did not go as planned. I welded on the unit bearing spacers and retapered the tie rod holes to install GM 1 ton TRE from the top at all locations. EZ PZ. I got sport track rotors and ground a little off the outside of the unit bearings, EZ PZ. After that I spent a whole lot of hours trying to install the drag link and Tie Rod to get as much clearance as possible and that did not go so good. The mod is only worth doing if I keep or gain clearance over my existing setup and that means the Tie Rod has to be installed on the upper side of the knuckles.

Tie rod upper side of knuckle and drag link on upper side of knuckle and lower side of pitman arm = tie rod contacting drag link in area of pitman arm and drag link contacting frame. I can easily notch the frame but the tie rod contacting drag link would require too much bump stop.

Tie rod upper side of knuckle and drag link on upper side of knuckle and upper side of pitman arm = drag link goes into radiator hard, too much to try and relocate rad up, etc.... drag link would also contact frame if it got past Rad.

I tried both the GM 1 ton tie rods and I also looked at heims since the heims aren't as bulky, same results in both configurations.

I can get it to work if I put the tie rod on the upper side of pass knuckle and lower side of driver knuckle and I notch the frame but I lose clearance over my existing set up on the drivers side which I don't want to do. Clearance is king.
I can definitely make it work if I put the tie rod ends on the lower side of the knuckles but I lose a lot of clearance and not an option. I can't sacrifice clearance.

I looked at a lot of pictures on the Internet (including some from this site) and I think that my issue may be my rotated steering box putting that pitman arm in line with the tie rod on the WJ knuckles or others were just willing to make some sacrifices that I am not. I also stared and pondered and bent tubing and cussed and complained to my wife, etc... all weekend with no magical results. So I used the time to figure out how I could make it work:
1. Make a pitman arm that puts the joint at about the midline of the pitman arm. This will allow the tie rod to not contact the drag link and lessons the amount the drag link will contact radiator and frame. Not sure how I am going to make it yet, but I have some ideas.
2. Move the radiator up a little (no more than inch).
3. Notch the frame

I did make a track bar which requires a slight bend and I figured out how to install track bar axle side bracket to get the geometry correct and I have the parts made and ready to weld in in the future.

I am going wheeling next weekend and then the 1st week of May so I decided to punt and reinstall my existing Currie setup. I did not want to get too deep into this mod (radiator relocate, frame notch, and ?pitman arm?) and not be able to wheel next week so this was my best option. I did weld a 3/8 solid rod to the front of the drag link in the area that bends the most, hopefully that will resist some of my drag link bending issues.
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Anyway, not every thing always goes our way, but lessons were learned and plan is somewhat made for next time. I very much like the clearance that I will get with the Tie Rod installed on the upper side of the WJ knuckles and I really like separating the tie rod and drag link and getting the drag link completely out of the rocks. The bigger brakes are also going to be very nice when driving on road. So the mod is worth the effort, it is just going to take me more time than I originally planned.
 
Would the offset TRE's or heims help any? I know I had a hell of time with my rotated steering box & then the high steer arms on my Dana 44 when I was setting things up. I'd even tried the GR twisted pitman arm but it didn't help at all and was actually worse.

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If these or offset heims might help I've got a set of each I'm not using.

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I already tried the offsets. I actually have to use the offset on the tie rod ends in order to clear the diff cover and on the drag link knuckle end to clear some stuff. It doesn't help on the pitman arm end, believe me I tried. I tried all different configurations of straight and offset knowing if the straight would work I could bend the tube to clear the stricture, etc... the problem is the pitman arm location. I actually did try bending the pitman arm up to make it a "reverse" drop and even with heating it with the torch it laughed at my 20 tom press. That 3/4" thk flat pitman arm is no joke :ROFLMAO:
 
Compared to a flat pitmam arm, where does that GR twisted arm locate the actual joint? In the vertical direction (up/down) is it more in the middle, on the upper, or lower side of the flat arm. I need the joint to be right in the middle.
 
Compared to a flat pitmam arm, where does that GR twisted arm locate the actual joint? In the vertical direction (up/down) is it more in the middle, on the upper, or lower side of the flat arm. I need the joint to be right in the middle.

I thought I had pictures of it mounted in the steering box but I can't find any.

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I don't think the twisted pitman arm will work since I don't need the "twist". At ride height my drag link is basically parallel to the arm and I think the twist would just cause issues. Here is picture with the drag link on lower side of pitman arm and it is parallel. When I modify pitman arm to put joint at center it will slightly raise the pitman arm side and put it in alignment with the track bar. But the slight raise isn't enough to require the twist. This is also the pic of what I almost went with, tie rod installed on upper side of pass side and lower side of driver side, but with the little clearance lost and the fact that my eyes couldn't get past the tie rod not being parallel to ground at ride height I scrapped the idea
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But that twisted arm is kind of how I was thinking of modifying my flat pitman arm to allow the heim to be installed at the end, basically trimming off the end of the arm and welding plates to the upper and lower side to allow for the heim to be installed directly in center in double shear. Thanks for the pictures that confirms that my ideas is not 100% crazy.
 
What about removing two of the steering box bolts and rotating the box until you have the clearance you need?

Then relocate the crush sleeves.
 
Ha, rotating the box flat is what is causing the issue but is also gaining the clearance to allow for my whole axle to be shifted forward. There is no room to rotate the box any further up on the aft end (which is what will gain me the clearance). I don't think rotating the front of the box down without pushing the aft end up will gain me anything. Good idea and it was one that I pondered and cussed about over the weekend :)
 
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Well I tried to redo my steering and upgrade to bigger brakes via the WJ knuckles and it did not go as planned. I welded on the unit bearing spacers and retapered the tie rod holes to install GM 1 ton TRE from the top at all locations. EZ PZ. I got sport track rotors and ground a little off the outside of the unit bearings, EZ PZ. After that I spent a whole lot of hours trying to install the drag link and Tie Rod to get as much clearance as possible and that did not go so good. The mod is only worth doing if I keep or gain clearance over my existing setup and that means the Tie Rod has to be installed on the upper side of the knuckles.

Tie rod upper side of knuckle and drag link on upper side of knuckle and lower side of pitman arm = tie rod contacting drag link in area of pitman arm and drag link contacting frame. I can easily notch the frame but the tie rod contacting drag link would require too much bump stop.

Tie rod upper side of knuckle and drag link on upper side of knuckle and upper side of pitman arm = drag link goes into radiator hard, too much to try and relocate rad up, etc.... drag link would also contact frame if it got past Rad.

I tried both the GM 1 ton tie rods and I also looked at heims since the heims aren't as bulky, same results in both configurations.

I can get it to work if I put the tie rod on the upper side of pass knuckle and lower side of driver knuckle and I notch the frame but I lose clearance over my existing set up on the drivers side which I don't want to do. Clearance is king.
I can definitely make it work if I put the tie rod ends on the lower side of the knuckles but I lose a lot of clearance and not an option. I can't sacrifice clearance.

I looked at a lot of pictures on the Internet (including some from this site) and I think that my issue may be my rotated steering box putting that pitman arm in line with the tie rod on the WJ knuckles or others were just willing to make some sacrifices that I am not. I also stared and pondered and bent tubing and cussed and complained to my wife, etc... all weekend with no magical results. So I used the time to figure out how I could make it work:
1. Make a pitman arm that puts the joint at about the midline of the pitman arm. This will allow the tie rod to not contact the drag link and lessons the amount the drag link will contact radiator and frame. Not sure how I am going to make it yet, but I have some ideas.
2. Move the radiator up a little (no more than inch).
3. Notch the frame

I did make a track bar which requires a slight bend and I figured out how to install track bar axle side bracket to get the geometry correct and I have the parts made and ready to weld in in the future.

I am going wheeling next weekend and then the 1st week of May so I decided to punt and reinstall my existing Currie setup. I did not want to get too deep into this mod (radiator relocate, frame notch, and ?pitman arm?) and not be able to wheel next week so this was my best option. I did weld a 3/8 solid rod to the front of the drag link in the area that bends the most, hopefully that will resist some of my drag link bending issues.
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Anyway, not every thing always goes our way, but lessons were learned and plan is somewhat made for next time. I very much like the clearance that I will get with the Tie Rod installed on the upper side of the WJ knuckles and I really like separating the tie rod and drag link and getting the drag link completely out of the rocks. The bigger brakes are also going to be very nice when driving on road. So the mod is worth the effort, it is just going to take me more time than I originally planned.

Any room to move the steering gear forward? It may not take much.
 
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I just talked to a friend who has JK axles and rotated steering box with axle pushed fwd and he just laughed and said he installed a different Radiator and located it up which allowed for the drag link to be installed on the upper side of the pitman arm. He then laughed again and said that he thinks the WJ knuckles tie rod connection is a little higher than the JK and wished me luck. Haha, his smartass response was like I was talking to myself.
 
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