New Grand Cherokee

Dr. Internet

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Went to visit our oldest and his family last week. Flew into Balmore via Atlanta and headed to Avis for a Rav4 I had reserved. Nice lady said I have upgraded you, space 5. Found a brand new Jeep Grand Cherokee in our spot! We own a 2012 GC Overland, so the comparisons started right away. Ours is black and the rental was white. Also, was dirty after five minutes. Interior was nice, but this was a Limited, so it was all leather look-alike vinyl. The seats are much more contoured than in our GC. All of the gauges are 'soft' or glass. No mechanical anything. Giant screen in the middle of the dash controls everything. I like the Nav system much more than ours. You can actually see the screen and have some idea of the street names. It's also a different program. If you take a different turn, it doesn't scream at you for fifteen minutes to make a u-turn, like ours does.
I entered the address with no guessing about how to change the state, city, country, et cetera, like ours requires. We were heading to Gaithersburg, which is about 30 minutes away. There is no lock button on the door or door handle, so you need the key fob to lock the doors. Also, the rear hatch closing button is well disguised as something else. The center console still has the upper and lower compartments, but they have fixed the opening mechanism. Ours has been broken for about 10 years.
The cruise control controls are on the steering wheel, but they have carried the gliphs to the point of uselessness. I could not get it to turn on.
The new GC also has something called lane management. The first time I got close to the edge of my lane and it took over steering, I almost crashed. That was the first thing I turned off.
It also has the engine shut off when stopped longer than five seconds 'feature'. What a bunch of cr*p. That was the second thing I shut off.
It rode OK, but not as good as ours with the air-bag suspension. It also lacks the height adjust feature.
Finally, the mini-van motor just does not compare to the Hemi. I step on the gas and it downshifts five or six gears and the engine goes hyper. Very hard to control and, I'm thinking, not very long lasting.
I 'built' one like it on Jeep.com and got a price of $51,700. the dealerships around here are all asking $54,500 for it. There seems to be a lot of them available.
I think we will keep our 2012. It just turned 100k and we put in a new transmission. Everything else is good.
 
In my '22 VW, lane assist was as you described, a hazard, it really only detects the lines as you get close and bounces off of them, rather than keeping you centered in the lane. Useless when it works "dumb" like that. Like playing Pong.

What size engine was it? My auto shutoff never bothered me but I had a 1.5t engine I think it started up smoothly because it was tiny.

The extra gears in transmissions lets them get away with a less powerful motor in theory, but you go between redline on lower gears to cruising rpm on high gears (many gears skipped) and like you said it makes it very unpredictable.

Cars from the 90s are the way to go
 
The gutless 3.6l V6 24v VVT; i.e. the mini-van engine.
I guess the autoshutoff would be OK in certain circumstances, but with the AC running, why would you turn off the engine? I wonder if anyone had calculated how much energy is saved by turning off, versus how much more energy it takes to start the engine. Also, more wear and tear on the battery and starter.
 
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The gutless 3.6l V6 24v VVT; i.e. the mini-van engine.
I guess the autoshutoff would be OK in certain circumstances, but with the AC running, why would you turn off the engine? I wonder if anyone had calculated how much energy is saved by turning off, versus how much more energy it takes to start the engine. Also, more wear and tear on the battery and starter.

Yeahh that is a significantly bigger engine. I really think it only was ok because it was so small in the VW. I would notice the AC would be "weaker" in shutoff mode. Never used AC enough for it to bug me. I thought I read somewhere that they have more robust starters. I probably wouldn't want to own a newer vehicle past it's warranty period anyways though
 
I wonder if anyone had calculated how much energy is saved by turning off, versus how much more energy it takes to start the engine. Also, more wear and tear on the battery and starter.

I'm certain they did, and it probably saves enough to be significant on a fleet basis, but not anything a single vehicle will ever be able to quantify.
 
Yeahh that is a significantly bigger engine. I really think it only was ok because it was so small in the VW. I would notice the AC would be "weaker" in shutoff mode. Never used AC enough for it to bug me. I thought I read somewhere that they have more robust starters. I probably wouldn't want to own a newer vehicle past it's warranty period anyways though

Many people agree with you, but the buyer is paying for the ‘warranty’ repairs indirectly anyway through the dramatically increased purchase prices of the past 5-8 years.
 
The gutless 3.6l V6 24v VVT; i.e. the mini-van engine.
It's all relative. The 3.6 will feel gutless compared to your Hemi, but in my JL wrangler, the 3.6 is a big step up compared to the 4.0 in my LJ. I can only hope the 3.6 is as reliable as the 4.0.
 
I just purchased a 2019 Grand Cherokee Limited 5.7L V8 a few weeks ago as a daily driver. My TJ has always been a second vehicle, and I had a BMW sedan as a daily. I needed something to tow, so Grand Cherokee it was. My father has had two WK2 Grand Cherokees, first a 2013 and now a 2020, both with the 5.7L. I test drove a 3.6, knowing what his 5.7 was like, and it was very apparent the difference in power. It would probably be fine if I wasn't towing my Kubota tractor, but the V8 seemed like the better option. Finding one did prove to be somewhat difficult in my area.
 
I just purchased a 2019 Grand Cherokee Limited 5.7L V8 a few weeks ago as a daily driver. My TJ has always been a second vehicle, and I had a BMW sedan as a daily. I needed something to tow, so Grand Cherokee it was. My father has had two WK2 Grand Cherokees, first a 2013 and now a 2020, both with the 5.7L. I test drove a 3.6, knowing what his 5.7 was like, and it was very apparent the difference in power. It would probably be fine if I wasn't towing my Kubota tractor, but the V8 seemed like the better option. Finding one did prove to be somewhat difficult in my area.

I picked up a 2017 WK2 with the 5.7L Hemi last summer and it’s a beast. Can tow awesome. Suspension is so stable. Dreamy. Congrats on yours.
 
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I picked up a 2017 WK2 with the 5.7L Hemi last summer and it’s a beast. Can tow awesome. Suspension is so stable. Dreamy. Congrats on yours.

I love it so far. My father got 200k out of his first Hemi 2013 WK2 and the second one has close to 80k. His first one was totaled and seemed pretty safe and fairly trouble free. I do miss the handling of my BMW but I also went from a 100+ mile a day commute to a 16 mile a day commute so wasn't really able to enjoy driving the car. Very happy with how comfortable this Grand Cherokee is so far. Love the 5.7L V8/ZF8 transmission combo.
 
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I went through a period where I was traveling a ton leading up to the Rona, wound up with a GC many times as my rental car and was really impressed with them, so we put them on our list for consideration when it would be time to move off our older car. Ended up with buying a 2021 Trailhawk and absolutely love it. Ours is the v6, not the v8, but we've got a truck for towing duties.
 
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