Novak Conversions Jeep Wrangler TJ radiator

Nashville TJ's Build - Continued

That's interesting. Where would you put the load bolt? I think I've only seen those on HP rear diffs.

It butts right up to the ring gear immediately behind where it meets the pinion.

But, I’m not sure it makes too much difference on a low-pinion rear setup - especially on a thick cut 14 bolt ring gear. Carl told me he tested the deflection of a low pinion 60 gearset when applying 2,000 pounds of torque. It’s on his YouTube channel and is pretty cool how he did it. On the drive side of the ring gear teeth (ie going forward) he saw only 2-3 thou deflection. On the coast side he saw 25-30 thou deflection. That is why the load bolt makes a big difference on a high pinion rear, or a low pinion front, as going forward - where most of the torque is applied - is on the coast side of the ring gear teeth in those configurations.

So I’m thinking it through. Although it sounds like a fun little project, there may not he much benefit in my case. Also, I still don’t know if there is enough meat left on the shaved ring gear beyond the carrier bolts for it to work.

Funny, when I told Carl I was putting Crowne gears in there, he was impressed. “Those things are the shit,” he said. I assume he meant that in a good way…
 
It butts right up to the ring gear immediately behind where it meets the pinion.

But, I’m not sure it makes too much difference on a low-pinion rear setup - especially on a thick cut 14 bolt ring gear. Carl told me he tested the deflection of a low pinion 60 gearset when applying 2,000 pounds of torque. It’s on his YouTube channel and is pretty cool how he did it. On the drive side of the ring gear teeth (ie going forward) he saw only 2-3 thou deflection. On the coast side he saw 25-30 thou deflection. That is why the load bolt makes a big difference on a high pinion rear, or a low pinion front, as going forward - where most of the torque is applied - is on the coast side of the ring gear teeth in those configurations.

So I’m thinking it through. Although it sounds like a fun little project, there may not he much benefit in my case. Also, I still don’t know if there is enough meat left on the shaved ring gear beyond the carrier bolts for it to work.

Funny, when I told Carl I was putting Crowne gears in there, he was impressed. “Those things are the shit,” he said. I assume he meant that in a good way…

Only 2000ft.lbs? Seriously, with gear reduction and a honkin' V8 I thought it would see an order of magnitude higher. You wouldn't happen to have that link?

edit: found his channel. Haven't seen that vid yet but just watched him cut his own axle splines. Cool stuff...
 
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It butts right up to the ring gear immediately behind where it meets the pinion.

But, I’m not sure it makes too much difference on a low-pinion rear setup - especially on a thick cut 14 bolt ring gear. Carl told me he tested the deflection of a low pinion 60 gearset when applying 2,000 pounds of torque. It’s on his YouTube channel and is pretty cool how he did it. On the drive side of the ring gear teeth (ie going forward) he saw only 2-3 thou deflection. On the coast side he saw 25-30 thou deflection. That is why the load bolt makes a big difference on a high pinion rear, or a low pinion front, as going forward - where most of the torque is applied - is on the coast side of the ring gear teeth in those configurations.

So I’m thinking it through. Although it sounds like a fun little project, there may not he much benefit in my case. Also, I still don’t know if there is enough meat left on the shaved ring gear beyond the carrier bolts for it to work.

Funny, when I told Carl I was putting Crowne gears in there, he was impressed. “Those things are the shit,” he said. I assume he meant that in a good way…

Carl is a hoot to talk with. And fun to wheel with too.
And some of the stuff he's figured out and then pulled off in his shop shows his ingenuity.
He'd stopped by and delivered the gears for my CRD60. And helped me understand where to put the load bolt.
 
Carl is a hoot to talk with. And fun to wheel with too.
And some of the stuff he's figured out and then pulled off in his shop shows his ingenuity.
He'd stopped by and delivered the gears for my CRD60. And helped me understand where to put the load bolt.

He was a hoot on Alaska off road warriors.
 
Carl is a hoot to talk with. And fun to wheel with too.
And some of the stuff he's figured out and then pulled off in his shop shows his ingenuity.
He'd stopped by and delivered the gears for my CRD60. And helped me understand where to put the load bolt.

So he is here in the NW?
 
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Here's what the ring gear looks like machined for the load bolt.

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And then the load bolt in the axle

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And Super Jeep

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It butts right up to the ring gear immediately behind where it meets the pinion.

But, I’m not sure it makes too much difference on a low-pinion rear setup - especially on a thick cut 14 bolt ring gear. Carl told me he tested the deflection of a low pinion 60 gearset when applying 2,000 pounds of torque. It’s on his YouTube channel and is pretty cool how he did it. On the drive side of the ring gear teeth (ie going forward) he saw only 2-3 thou deflection. On the coast side he saw 25-30 thou deflection. That is why the load bolt makes a big difference on a high pinion rear, or a low pinion front, as going forward - where most of the torque is applied - is on the coast side of the ring gear teeth in those configurations.

So I’m thinking it through. Although it sounds like a fun little project, there may not he much benefit in my case. Also, I still don’t know if there is enough meat left on the shaved ring gear beyond the carrier bolts for it to work.

Funny, when I told Carl I was putting Crowne gears in there, he was impressed. “Those things are the shit,” he said. I assume he meant that in a good way…

Here are some posts Carl made about the load bolts, I haven’t read them all but see some similarities in what Jeff posted. Describes his test setup.

https://www.pirate4x4.com/threads/load-bolts-how-to-install-yourself.1059807/
 
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When the 14B disassembly going to happen?

Curious minds want to see what the cause oft the noise is.... Plus I need you to beat on these new gears so I'll know what to do with my next axle...

What do you even get when a 14b isn't strong enough? You never really hear the phrase "two and a half tons and fodeez"
 
What do you even get when a 14b isn't strong enough? You never really hear the phrase "two and a half tons and fodeez"

Dana 80..... And then there are larger that aren't Duce axles... The S-110 or S-135

The Ford F-550 rear axle is a heavy-duty component, typically a robust Dana or Spicer axle (like S-110, S-135, or newer M300), built for high payload and towing, especially in cab-and-chassis models with Dual Rear Wheels (DRW), differing from F-450s mainly in its overbuilt strength for heavier work, featuring various gear ratios (like 4.88s) and often requiring specific parts for different model years. Parts availability spans from older Dana 80s to modern Dana M300s, with common options including axle shafts, gears, and complete assemblies for various F-550 Super Duty applications
 
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