Help me decide: Canyon or Ecco wheels?

[Vtx531]

I did a little more work swapping tires over. It is taking me a long time because:

1. I am doing this myself
2. I am measuring and noting the imbalance on each rim and tire separately so that I can match mount for balance.
3. It has been very cold and windy lately which just makes things go slower.

I sourced an array of DIY tire changing goodies over the last year or two. You can see some of the tools in the attached photo.

Here about all the tools:
- HF tire changer
- NoMar bar
- 5 gal bead blaster
- open flow tire chuck with ball valve
- digital tire inflator
- valve fishing tool
- HF wheel bubble balancer
- 1/4oz stick-on weights

It is totally not worth it but also a fun challenge and learning experience. I did mess up one of my Ecco rims by gouging it when trying to break the bead which bummed me out but at least they are cheap to replace or maybe I can find matching touch up paint.

 

[Vtx531]

Tires are done! All match mounted and balanced.

I went out this morning and splurged on actual tire mounting lube at $15/gallon and one of those little mop-looking applicators for $5. (napa)

I attached a copy of my notes in case anyone finds this type of thing interesting like I do.

Interesting data: The factory canyon rims were .25-1.00 oz out of balance and the tires varied from .75-2.25 oz out of balance (the 2.25oz one was one of the brand new ones, go figure)

I only lucked out in that one of the tire and rim combos happened to be “matching” but I had to pull all the other tires off and swap rims.

I labeled each rim A-E and each tire 1-5 and then matched them up based on how far out of balance they were in order to counter balance them. The actual final wheel weights it took is over on the left.

I also took photos of each individual wheel and tire to document where the heavy spots are if I ever need to know in the future and to check for any slippage of the tires on the rims in the future.

At the end of the day, all the match mounting work of swapping rims/tires only resulted in a calculated 3oz of weights total instead of 4oz total if I had left the tires on the rims that they happened to be on. So it didn’t even save .25 oz per wheel. I can totally see why tire shops don’t do this.

But I do think it is worth it to match the heavy spot on each rim opposite the heavy spot of each tire. Just not worth it taking it to the next level of matching specific tires and rims.

This is only the second time for me trying static balance but both have been successful including on a Porsche with relatively wide/low profile tires and the best part is no clip on wheel weights to damage the rims.

 

[Vtx531]

Re: 235/75R15 on 8” wheel vs 30x9.50R15

I have a mini tape measure (from Dollar Tree) that just so happens to have inches on one side and mm on the other side. It is pretty interesting to see how close 235mm is to 9.5in.

More so, how close 215/225/235/245 are all pretty much damn the same...in width.

 

[Vtx531]

I picked up a set of Ravines tonight to try out because why not? Stock wheels are cheap. Thank you to everyone who is “upgrading” and getting rid of your stock wheels!

Doubt I will keep the Ravines though because they are the wrong year for my 2002 Jeep (2004+?) and I like the machined finish on the Canyons vs the painted finish (with machined lip) on the Ravines. The Canyons really pop in the sun.

Coincidentally, the Ravines also came with some 30-9.50-15 Michelins. Just like the Canyons I recently purchased.

 

[Johnfromphilly]

Re: 235/75R15 on 8” wheel vs 30x9.50R15

I have a mini tape measure (from Dollar Tree) that just so happens to have inches on one side and mm on the other side. It is pretty interesting to see how close 235mm is to 9.5in.

More so, how close 215/225/235/245 are all pretty much damn the same...in width.

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Sorry to revive this thread but I am deciding on changing out my rims also and I am considering the Canyons. My tires are 235/75R15. Is that the combination you ended up with in the photo above? You had mentioned a possible issue with them looking buldged out but I like that look. I am not replcing the tires as they are brand new. Rims are stock steel.

Thanks for any input and for a great education on this thread.

 

[Vtx531]

Glad you revived it-

Post #40,41,42 are all 235-75-15 on the 15x8 Canyons.

I was worried they might look funny on 8” wide wheels but after mounting them up, I think they look good. If anything, I think they look better on 8” wide wheels than 7” wide.

I guess it is personal opinion but I like my rim width on the wide side of the approved range for a given tire.

The Goodyear Wrangler Radials that I have are kind of weird shaped tires to begin with and have a narrow tread and bulgy/smooth sidewall.

Theoretically: 9.50” (oem width tires) are only .25” wider than 235mm (235mm=9.25in)

<———My profile pic is 235-75-15 on 15x8 Canyons.

All that said, I really like the look of the 15x7 steelies too and I might switch to those when the weather warms up with some 215-75-15 tires.

 

[Vtx531]

For General Grabber ATX tires (according to tirerack.com)

30-9.50-15 = 30x9.4”
235-75-15 = 28.9x9.3”

 

[Johnfromphilly]

For General Grabber ATX tires (according to tirerack.com)

30-9.50-15 = 30x9.4”
235-75-15 = 28.9x9.3”

So am I good to go with 225/75R15 ( EDIT 235/75 R15) and Canyon rims? Do Canyons come in 7” and 8” width?

I believe the steel wheels ( no name) on my TJ are 7”. I am planning on keeping them in case I want to revert back to stock as my plan is zero mods of any impact. It is 20 years old and totally stock (except for the 235s).

That being said I think the steel wheels on there now are a little boring and without going crazy I think the addition of Canyons will give it a little pop.

 

[LONGJP2]

I prefer the Ravines over the Canyons. I held on to a set for a long time so I could switch to 15" tires. Ended up staying with the Moabs when I bought new tires and selling the Ravines.

 

[Vtx531]

So am I good to go with 225/75R15 and Canyon rims? Do Canyons come in 7” and 8” width?

I believe the steel wheels ( no name) on my TJ are 7”. I am planning on keeping them in case I want to revert back to stock as my plan is zero mods of any impact. It is 20 years old and totally stock (except for the 235s).

That being said I think the steel wheels on there now are a little boring and without going crazy I think the addition of Canyons will give it a little pop.

Good to go with 225 or 235?? I can only speak to 235 being good in my experience but 225’s would probably be fine as well. I think 8” rim would be slightly outside the recommended range for 225s.

 

[Johnfromphilly]

Good to go with 225 or 235?? I can only speak to 235 being good in my experience but 225’s would probably be fine as well.

Sorry! Typo. 235

this whole discussion is on specifics and sizes and I write the wrong one.

 

[Vtx531]

I prefer the Ravines over the Canyons. I held on to a set for a long time so I could switch to 15" tires. Ended up staying with the Moabs when I bought new tires and selling the Ravines.

I like the ravines too but not right for a 1997-2002. The canyons have more pop, being that the spokes are machined finish rather than silver sparkle paint.

 

[Vtx531]

Sorry! Typo. 235

this whole discussion is on specifics and sizes and I write the wrong one.

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Ya then youre good, no problem. Should look nice. Post up some pics here when you do it. Should look better than mine with the weird shaped “Wrangler Radials”.

 

[Johnfromphilly]

Ya then youre good, no problem. Should look nice

Do they come in 7” and 8”? Hoping I don’t have to make yet another style decision.

 

[Vtx531]

ZJ Grand Cherokee ones are 7”. The spokes are a little narrower and it looks like the areas between the spokes are darker.

7” top
8” bottom

 

[Johnfromphilly]

ZJ Grand Cherokee ones are 7”. The spokes are a little narrower and it looks like the areas between the spokes are darker.

7” top
8” bottom

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So I “should” look for 8” since they were the ones that did come on a TJ even if it wasn’t my year? 2001

 

[Vtx531]

So I “should” look for 8” since they were the ones that did come on a TJ even if it wasn’t my year? 2001

8” Canyons were an option on 2001 Sports so that would be perfect.

Actually the most premium of 4 or 5 wheel options offered...

 

[Johnfromphilly]

8” Canyons were an option on 2001 Sports so that would be perfect

I think that is what I will settle on for my search. Not much out there right now on CL or FB marketplace. There are some companies that make replicas but I am fearful of the quality.
Thanks for the help. Once I find some I will be sure to post a photo of the final product.

Going with Canyon 8”
Firestone Destination AT 235/ 75R 15
White letters out

Thanks again!

 

[Vasq]

So am I good to go with 225/75R15 ( EDIT 235/75 R15) and Canyon rims? Do Canyons come in 7” and 8” width?

I believe the steel wheels ( no name) on my TJ are 7”. I am planning on keeping them in case I want to revert back to stock as my plan is zero mods of any impact. It is 20 years old and totally stock (except for the 235s).

That being said I think the steel wheels on there now are a little boring and without going crazy I think the addition of Canyons will give it a little pop.

Canyons are stock.

 

[Johnfromphilly]

Canyons are stock.

Even better! I thought that the two steel versions were the stock rims in 2001. Thanks. Now I just need to find some.