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Is anyone running and willing to share their opinion and experience running the Bosch 4 hole upgrade. I have a single bad injector i am thinking It would be a good time to swap out. I had to remove all to test.
2000 TJ 4.0
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Yes. I have a single bad injector and pulled the rest out to test as well.

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I ran them on my 4.0, complete waste of money and nothing more than a placebo effect (for those who claim to feel a difference).

There's no way you're going to feel a performance increase from swapping to these 4 hole fuel injectors. Sure, maybe if we were talking about a turbocharged engine and you were swapping to some higher flow fuel injectors, but not on our 4.0 engines.

This is another one of those internet myths that people never let die.

However, if you need to replace bad fuel injectors, then I see no harm in it. Just don't waste money on replacing them unless your fuel injectors are already bad (which is pretty darn rare).
 
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I replaced mine with the Bosch 4 hole a couple weeks ago.

My thoughts:

1. I'm happy with the replacement
- I feel this is important. Some changes can result in either happiness, regret or no difference.
(ie: I bought Steelhorse chrome hoodlocks in the late '90's...and I regret doing that.)
(I should note I've ran the stock hoodlatches since)


2. Did it improve my mpg?
- yes*

* my answer has 2 caveats
2a. I think there was a very subtle leak in one of my fuel injectors, possibly just the o-ring. I had previously thought I had fuel pressure loss due to a bad anti-drain valve in my fuel pump, but upon taking out the injectors and inspecting closer, I think I had a bad fuel injector.
(meaning the fact that ANY new fuel injector/o-ring would improve my mpg, and it's not necessarily due to the 4ports)

2b. I don't accurately keep track of my mpg, so I'm just using an educated guess. I know where to expect my gas guage to be when I drive out to the cottage, and I've been seeing a visible difference. I'm also going an extra day or so between gas fillups.

3. Did it improve the performance?
- If we are talking any improved acceleration, I'd say I did not notice any changes.

- But it significantly improved my startup speed. This could either be attributed to not having any fuel pressure loss...as well as possibly the better atomization of the 4 ports. Psychologically, this fast starting makes me feel the engine is "healthier", if that makes any sense. Since I did not perform an A/B test with brand new 1port injectors vs brand new 4port injectors, it's difficult to answer if the improved startup speed is purely due to the injectors being new/clean or if the 4ports actually helped or not.

4. Anything else?
- It sounds a bit better. Seriously. It's a very minor change that you probably only notice after driving the same vehicle for 20yrs though. It's definitely not in the same league as the sound change with a different muffler.

- I'm glad I changed them. If anything, I feel better knowing that I now know how to change fuel injectors. Perhaps a bit of extra pride for a non-mechanic like me. I also like have "new" fuel injectors in as my TJ is technically over 20 years old now...and everything deteriorates over time. I also had an issue with 1 injectors (or o-ring) that has been fixed. Maybe I'm just happy that it actually started up the 1st time after I changed them.

5. Do I recommend them to others?
- uhmm...I'd give the suggestion of replacing the original 1port injectors with the 4port injectors IF/WHEN you need to replace one. Meaning, if you are buying a new fuel injector, I'd personally lean towards buying the 4port instead of another 1 port.

If you are expecting any "noticeable" improvement to your perfectly good 1port injectors, I think you are risking being disappointed.

The reality is, it's entirely possible I could have "fixed" my injector issue with a $2 o-ring replacement instead of replacing all the fuel injectors.
But I bought:
- peace of mind (new injectors all around)
- knowledge (how to replace injectors)
- experience/pride (I replaced them myself)
- scalability (maybe there is a turbo and a CPU reprogramming in my future, lol, ahem...)
- a performance upgrade that I'm going to say...probably works better than stickers.
 
In my younger years most of my money went to chasing women. Now it goes to a TJ. I swapped the stock injectors for the 4 hole jobs. I did notice it runs a bit smoother. No hp gains and I don't know if it improved mileage but I now have new injectors and learned a thing or two.
 
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Any suggestions on what fuel injectors i should use for a 1999 jeep wrangler sahara 4.0
OE. The computer constantly adjusts the length of time an injector is left open to spray fuel and shuts it off when it has the right air-fuel mixture. Installing "high performance" injectors that can spray more fuel just means they'll have their spray time reduced so as to insure the engine is getting the correct air/fuel ratio. It's real hard to be the quality of OEM. It's not hard to beat the quality of most aftermarket injectors, especially store brands.
 
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In my younger years most of my money went to chasing women. Now it goes to a TJ. I swapped the stock injectors for the 4 hole jobs. I did notice it runs a bit smoother. No hp gains and I don't know if it improved mileage but I now have new injectors and learned a thing or two.

What cc were your injectors? I'm having difficulty finding the right injectors and I dont want to put the wrong ones. I see that on Extreme terrains website there are 3 different kind of injectors.
1. 550cc
2. 650cc
3. 750cc
 
What cc were your injectors? I'm having difficulty finding the right injectors and I dont want to put the wrong ones. I see that on Extreme terrains website there are 3 different kind of injectors.
1. 550cc
2. 650cc
3. 750cc

I installed 4 hole injectors back in June, as my #6 injector had a crack and the fuel rail o-ring was mostly split-massive fuel leak. I replaced all 6 injectors with new units from Summit Racing at $28 each plus free shipping. These are 4 hole 23lb units, Bosch part number 0 280 156 162. The only reason I chose these specific injectors is that they were the cheapest and quickest to ship for my DD-couldn't find a stock replacement in the timeframe needed. There's no difference at all between stock and these that I can detect. Make sure you get the injectors with the correct electrical connector for your year.
 
What cc were your injectors? I'm having difficulty finding the right injectors and I dont want to put the wrong ones. I see that on Extreme terrains website there are 3 different kind of injectors.
1. 550cc
2. 650cc
3. 750cc

FYI, the factory used different fuel pressures and slightly different injectors in different years. The replacement for his injector might not be optimal for your year. The engine will mostly run in closed loop where it adjusts the injector pulse width automatically based on O2 sensor feedback. If you run the wrong injector it will run either to rich (OK) or too lean (BAD) in wide open throttle unless you know how to tune for it.
 
I recently purchased a set of these for my Tj:

https://www.motormanfuelinjection.com/Siemens/fuel-injector-04854181.html

The motor install isn't complete so I can't comment on how well they work, but they are just OEM reman injectors. When I inspected mine, several had cracks in the body and showed corrosion where they were cracking.

The site looked a little low budget, but I didn't have any problems, they were shipped quick, and they at least appear to be a quality unit.
 
What cc were your injectors? I'm having difficulty finding the right injectors and I dont want to put the wrong ones. I see that on Extreme terrains website there are 3 different kind of injectors.
1. 550cc
2. 650cc
3. 750cc

Note these topics are oriented to people interested in building stroker motors from the 4.0L platform which require some increase in the injector capacity. For Jeeps the specs are usually referenced as lbs per hour because god forbid we divide by 10.

There is a bunch of useful information here on the various combos of fuel pressure and injectors used across the 4.0L in different years including the stock part numbers.
http://www.jeep4.0performance.4mg.com/tech_specs.html

The article is a bit dated and there are newer alternatives including some faster response EV12 injectors
https://www.jeepstrokers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6709&sid=c0dad2d48dba75dfbfb852fc0ea4d854
 
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Thank you so much for the information. By any chance do you know if this would be applicable to the 2.4L?

Shoot I missed from your profile you had a 2.4L and I do not know. The DOHC 2.4L doesn't have much in common with the 4.0L or the old pushrod 2.5L.

It is shared through a bunch of late 90s and early 00s Chrysler and Dodge models though and I'll bet if you dig around in some PT Cruiser GT and Neon SRT threads you can find more info on the injectors from N/A models up through the turbo ones. Those turbo models would have more people upping the boost and swapping injectors and sharing data. But you would have something similar to the Chrysler Sebring or standard PT Cruiser's stock injector.

The block on the Jeep 2.4L is distinct due to the longitudinal placement, but it's internals and controls are common with other models that use that engine. Just pay attention to the spec fuel pressure for your Jeep which you can find in the FSM. The fuel pressure is all over the place in the TJs and injector specs are usually quoted at something lower like 38 or 39lbs. If your year is running 59 psi like the final years of the TJ 4.0L, it will have a corresponding increase in the fuel injector rate per hour though the math is a bit more complicated.
 
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Thank you so much for this information and for taking the time to write this helps a lot. Especially after not being able to find much information about my 2.4 mostly because now I know i was looking in the wrong spot
 
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