I thought about buying a used ass old EV for a work car. I work 10 miles from home and can charge for free. So I can easily make it with a worn out battery EV. But people want 10k for old garbage, and between taxes and insurance I could drive a TJ with a leaking gas tank to work for less.
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CATASTROPHIC BATTERY DEGRADATION on this $700 Fiat 500e shows the miserable future of EV ownership.
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JEEPSTEVENANAIMO
TJ Enthusiast
Just got word that they discontinued the whole lineup of eq electric vehicles. thank god.
JEEPSTEVENANAIMO
TJ Enthusiast
Samsung’s EV battery breakthrough: 600-mile charge in 9 mins, 20 year lifespan
Samsung recently made a splash in the industry by showcasing its recent advancements in battery technology, especially related to solid-state batteries.At the SNE Battery Day 2024 expo in Seoul, South Korea, the company revealed that its pilot solid-state battery production line is now fully operational.
“We built a pilot line last year to mass-produce all-solid-state batteries by 2027,” said Samsung SDI, as reported by The Elec.
Moreover, the battery’s initial batches have already been delivered to EV manufacturers for testing.
“We supplied samples to customers from the end of last year to the beginning of this year and are receiving positive feedback,” Samsung SDI stated.
Notably, these batteries could power electric vehicles with a 600-mile range, charge in 9 minutes, and have a lifespan of 20 years.
Promising features and initial focus
These solid-state batteries are expected to be smaller, lighter, and safer than the lithium-ion batteries currently used in most electric vehicles. They hold significant potential to revolutionize the EV industry.“All-solid-state batteries can enhance safety by replacing liquid components with solid ones. When used in the same pack size as existing products, they reduce weight and take up less space,” highlighted the company.
However, due to their high production costs, these batteries’ initial application will be limited to the “super premium” EV segment.
The “super premium” segment here implies a driving range of around 600 miles per charge. In addition, Samsung will be introducing high-nickel NCS products for the premium segment.
Advanced energy density
Samsung’s oxide solid-state battery technology boasts an energy density of 500 Wh/kg, nearly double the 270 Wh/kg density of mainstream EV batteries.This increased density could potentially double the driving range of current electric vehicles.
Besides, Samsung’s claim of 9-minute charging likely refers to the standard metric of charging a battery from 10% or 20% to 80% capacity rather than a full charge from 0% to 100%.
This practice is common in the industry as charging speeds typically slow down significantly beyond the 80% mark to protect battery health and longevity.
In addition to its work on solid-state batteries, Samsung is developing more affordable lithium iron phosphate (LFP) and cobalt-free batteries, as well as a dry electrode production method to reduce costs.
“We will not only match the price in the popular and entry-level segments, but also mass produce products that can be rapidly charged in 9 minutes by 2026,” emphasized Samsung SDI.
Focus on longevity
That said, limited availability of charging infrastructure remains a significant hurdle. While some Chinese battery makers already offer 5C or 6C charging speeds, equivalent to 480kW and even 600kW charging stations, they are quite few in numbers.However, notable is the visible approach of all battery makers to offer longer lifespans of batteries. CATL and other battery makers have already announced batteries with 20-year lifespans, often referred to as “million-mile” batteries. Samsung’s vision to “extend the battery life to 20 years” aligns with the broader market trend.
While Samsung’s solid-state battery progress is significant, the company must navigate a competitive landscape dominated by Chinese manufacturers.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/new...charge-in-9-mins-20-year-lifespan/ar-BB1qX2PR
"However, due to their high production costs, these batteries’ initial application will be limited to the “super premium” EV segment."
Is there any other EV market segment than "Super Premium"?
Is there any other EV market segment than "Super Premium"?
JEEPSTEVENANAIMO
TJ Enthusiast
after driving most of whats on the market these days id have to say that there isnt a super premium electric vehicle available yet.
You wouldn't know it from the excess tech and stupid electrics - never mind the atrocious price - on ALL of them that I know of.
JEEPSTEVENANAIMO
TJ Enthusiast
I feel like thats more a case of "a fool and his money will soon part ways" its like the manufacturers seen those meatballs coming from a mile away.
so happy to see mercedes cancel the eq lineup.
with the TJ's mileage one might think a leaking gas tank came standard from the factory
WestCoastDan
TJ Addict
I'll just chime back in here after getting our July, NON-EV electric bill in SOCAL, for a 1,400 SF multi-level condo, with a 2 year old HVAC system and a NEST t-stat with ECO settings and a pretty aggressive schedule (although my wife wants it to be 72° in the house and we also have an electric stove...). We also use LED lamps almost exclusively.
Any guesses?
How about $561.78?
Y'all can take your EV's and shove them straight up your asses!
We pay $0.33/kWh (up to 1,376 kWh - Tier 1).
We pay $0.42/kWh (above 1,376kWh - Tier 2).
We typically run right at or near the Tier 1 limit already, so I can only imagine the usage if we also charged an EV.
At $70K+ for an electric vehicle, another $3.5K for the home charger, and $0.42/kWh for power to charge it, we would be broke in no time.
I'll say it again, Y'all can take your EV's and shove them right up your asses!
Any guesses?
How about $561.78?
Y'all can take your EV's and shove them straight up your asses!
We pay $0.33/kWh (up to 1,376 kWh - Tier 1).
We pay $0.42/kWh (above 1,376kWh - Tier 2).
We typically run right at or near the Tier 1 limit already, so I can only imagine the usage if we also charged an EV.
At $70K+ for an electric vehicle, another $3.5K for the home charger, and $0.42/kWh for power to charge it, we would be broke in no time.
I'll say it again, Y'all can take your EV's and shove them right up your asses!
Yep - that is EXACTLY what I've said for years about such things. "A fool and his money will soon be parted" -=AND=- "Something else to break." When there's a basic EV without all the crap, they'll have my attention. Until then, not so much. Battery, motor, PWM controller, and an "e-meter" to keep track of battery state is all that's needed. Nobody makes an EV like that and probably won't. Not only do they have un-needed Cray-level computing power, they also have all sorts of gimmicks like electric door handles and electric "fuel" flaps, etc, etc. Stupid...
For myself, a "60/60" EV is all that I need. 60 miles real world range at 60 MPH. Should be doable for well under $20K. We'll never see one.
That's Commiefornia for you - their fucking "tiers" aren't enough to run a 40 watt lite bulb in a hut in a 3rd world country. I was able to get a medical exemption that gave me a bit more, but it was still ridiculous.
WestCoastDan
TJ Addict
I swear if I had a job or housing guarantee elsewhere, I would move out of this shithole with only what fits in my pockets.
JEEPSTEVENANAIMO
TJ Enthusiast
I feel like the volt was that vehicle. although, the smart electric is quite a simple little machine.
The best drive I ever had was crossing the Rio Grande into Arizona and putting California in my rear view mirror!
Not familiar with the Smart - but I was under the impression that the Volt/Bolt had a bunch of screens and computers... (?)
sounds like if you move out of that shithole you won't even need a job
or much of a good paying one anyway
but, what will you plug your Iphone into?
The Volt is not a Bolt. The Volt was a plug in - battery first hybrid - much like a diesel locomotive works. You got around 30 miles on pure battery then it went hybrid like a Prius. Plug it in at work, plug it in at home and never use gas if your commute is less then 60 miles round trip. But you had gas when you needed it. I got about 7000 miles on a 7 gallon tank of fuel. Mine was a great car and super reliable.
Yes it has a screen on the infotainment system, and yes the gauges are digital. You could tape cardboard over the infotainment and the dash and use a wind sock or a pitot tube to determine speed if you wanted to.
The Bolt is a small EV. 100% battery. Pretty inexpensive for a commuter car and had a decent range.
The Smart car is something you've seen for sure - they are those insanely tiny two seater cars that are stupid in our big car culture.
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