2002 TJ First Drive - Please Help Answer a Few Questions

Hi macho. How's one supposed to know not to use something other than Dana for ball joints? Do I have to ask the forum on every single part I need for my Jeep? I mean, I will if I have to. But this is why I'm asking about buying parts from a specialty Jeep parts store. See answer above. Is there a place that's trustworthy that would give me the same advice you are about ball joints and steer me in the right direction on other parts? I don't mind spending a little more money for their guidance, as long as it's good guidance.

Ball joints are one of the things you either luck out and end up reading about ahead of time on the forum, or you find out the hard way after the aftermarket stuff chosen is installed, doesn’t last, you read up on why they are no good, get guided back to stock Dana Spicer, and then find out your inner C holes are too loose and stretched out for Spicers. Now, there are fixes for that, like dimpling the body of the Spicer joints, but you’re better off if you only install Spicer all along.

I have had decent luck with buying parts from Quadratec, but I don’t know that calling them or asking for their advice would have led to me buying spicer. All that info that I specifically have comes from personal experience and discussion amongst the forum. I have stretched out the axle holes before with Synergy ball joints on a previous axle. Those ball joints advertised themselves as stronger than stock and they were dead in less than two years, causing me death wobble on potholes. Then I went to change them back to stock and nope, holes were too large. Stuck with aftermarket until I got rid of that axle.

I don't need to know what part fixed the problem. There is comfort in knowing that all the front end parts on my 23 year old Jeep are like new and making the vehicle drive as straight and tight as it did new. Or near to that. It just doesn't seem that expensive to me. But if what you are saying is correct, I should only replace tie rod ends if they absolutely need it. Although, what if they are worn 50% and upon inspection by my mechanic he determines that they are still fine? In other words he doesn't see the 50% wear? Then would it better to have the best quality replacement tie rod ends that are 0% worn, even if they are not as high quality as the original ones? By the way, this is why my wife says I'm difficult. I can't help it, I'm just a thinker.

I don't know how to find out what are the higher end brands on Rock Auto.

Should I always look for Mopar, or OEM spec, or ??
I like to know what fixed the problem so that if a similar problem comes back years down the road, I have an easier way of identifying what to fix at that point.

I am also good with all new everything, except the problem is a lot of parts these days are junk, and so while what you install may be new, they may also be worse than the used parts you already had that were still in good shape. The reason I single out the tie rod ends is because they live a mostly easy life and don't wear out too much unless subjected to extreme angles. They also require realignment (setting of toe-in and centering the steering wheel) to replace them, which means I prefer to not replace them unless truly needed. If you installed new ball joints, track bar, steering shaft, and steering gear, and still had problems with slop, then I would say get new tie rod ends. I would leave them alone until then. Like I said, they live a pretty easy life in stock form, and so you might be good to just grease them and keep driving. I am running 30 year old tie rod ends on a YJ that are just fine.

The steering gears are known to wear out, the ball joints are too after lots of age and miles, the track bar can be problematic although that is mostly when lifted or running big tires. Steering shaft is hit or miss.

All of what I just said is why it's better to focus on what is actually wrong and causing the slop instead of just throwing all new front end parts at it. Dry steer test has a good chance of showing you what is actually wrong so you can replace that, not waste money, and keep the good quality factory parts where they are still working.

For brands, it just depends. I like Mopar where I can get it, but much of that stuff by Mopar is gone. Moog doesn't seem to be that great anymore according to internet reviews. Mevotech seems mediocre. Napa brand is usually pretty good but expensive and not always available. I have heard their stuff is actually made by Spicer, but haven't confirmed it. You kinda just have to research everything to come up with what is ideal.

I'm very lucky in that I have a mechanic who comes to my garage to do work on all my vehicles. He is meticulous in his work. A bit slow at times, but very thorough. Never cuts corners. $40 per hour. Can't beat it. Plus he's a nice guy. We take our time to talk over what to do with the fixes and find the best options for each vehicle. We both research - he does YouTube mostly and I do forum advice. So much better than a shop.

I am essentially the same guy as your mechanic, for my neighbor. I do the majority of his work on his 2001 Dodge 1500, and his Cadillac. I research what I can, and we discuss before I do any of the repairs. I buy the parts with his credit card and if something doesn't work out, I return what I can for him. I just did a bunch to his Dodge this weekend, on this very subject: track bar, steering gear, steering shaft, steering damper, ball joints, and control arms. The control arms gave me fits and so I haven't actually replaced them yet. The new steering shaft had slop in it that the original did not have, so we didn't use it and will be returning if possible. Everything else is done. He had huge amounts of play in the wheel, like 6" of slop. It was terrible to drive. All I did the first day was ball joints and track bar, and 95% of the slop was gone. The Dodge has an almost identical design to the TJ, just using heavier duty components for the larger/heavier truck application. I did not touch the tie rod ends at all, and they are still working perfectly fine. I do need to shoot them with some grease though, and the boots could use replacing, so I will probably do that soon.
 
Just like with anything I would use the smell test. To be honest $250 for 17 pieces seemed way too good to be true. Their service is not what it used to be but I still buy most of my Jeep specific parts on Quadratec. They are very similar to FCP/Suncoast and specialize in Jeep parts/upgrades. I've had issues with some parts in the past and they usually replace them with little questions asked. But they have been selling specifically to Jeep owners forever and typically carry reliable brands in order to still be around for this long. For stock control arms, I would probably just go with Crown/OMIX. I think these are both made by the same manufacture that I believe also owns Rugged Ridge etc. and the overall quality is above average in my opinion. Original MOPAR parts are going to be hard to find and I would prefer new over stock take-offs at this point. Upgrades are a different story if you want to beef things up while you are replacing things.

The sensors are a lot more sensitive where you might need to find a NOS MOPAR part if possible such as for the cam/crank sensors. Some are still out there. O2 sensors go with NTK/NGK. There will be recommendations for each of these here.

In general I would try to get as close to the original as possible so the Dana suggestion made sense there as well.
 
OP has mentioned that it was his first time driving a Jeep, let alone a used TJ of this age. My point is it's a good idea to swap out the front end or rear suspension but make sure you actually need that stuff. There are so many variables going on here with a 23 year old TJ, even tire pressure can make a big difference. My first TJ was aired up to 40 psi, which as a noob caused a lot of confusion on those first few test drives. Even if you have a bunch of rotted bushings, loose parts etc. don't be surprised when you replace them and your problem(s) are still there. That's where it's important to diagnoise the issues or get someone who can help you with that so you're not just swapping parts out but that stuff adds up fast.

If you're not trying to mod your Jeep you can get stock suspension parts cheap and the work to install them is much less compared to adjustable everything sway bar links, track bar, control arms etc. You can also do the steering, shocks and springs separately and then do the control arms later but like you said you don't care what part was the issue you just want to replace everything.
 
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Plenty of good advice given already. My TJ is lifted with bigger tires, so I won't use that for a comparison. But I have had several stock high Mile Jeep XJ Cherokees in the past as daily drivers. Didn't have any wear issues with control arms, track bar, drag link or tie rod ends. Typical issues were ball joints, hub bearings and front axleshaft U-joints. So I would recommend close inspection of those items and if any doubt, replace all at the same time while you have things apart. Prefer Dana Spicer ball joints and U-joints, Neapco U-joints also fine and Timken hub bearings. Also do the dry steer test with your mechanic friend to check on front end parts. Then start driving and enjoy. Just realize that at 23 years old, problems will pop up. Keep up with maintenance and repairs and you'll have a great Jeep. Congrats and enjoy!
 
Plenty of good advice given already. My TJ is lifted with bigger tires, so I won't use that for a comparison. But I have had several stock high Mile Jeep XJ Cherokees in the past as daily drivers. Didn't have any wear issues with control arms, track bar, drag link or tie rod ends. Typical issues were ball joints, hub bearings and front axleshaft U-joints. So I would recommend close inspection of those items and if any doubt, replace all at the same time while you have things apart. Prefer Dana Spicer ball joints and U-joints, Neapco U-joints also fine and Timken hub bearings. Also do the dry steer test with your mechanic friend to check on front end parts. Then start driving and enjoy. Just realize that at 23 years old, problems will pop up. Keep up with maintenance and repairs and you'll have a great Jeep. Congrats and enjoy!

Thank you.

Greg
 
OP has mentioned that it was his first time driving a Jeep, let alone a used TJ of this age. My point is it's a good idea to swap out the front end or rear suspension but make sure you actually need that stuff. There are so many variables going on here with a 23 year old TJ, even tire pressure can make a big difference. My first TJ was aired up to 40 psi, which as a noob caused a lot of confusion on those first few test drives. Even if you have a bunch of rotted bushings, loose parts etc. don't be surprised when you replace them and your problem(s) are still there. That's where it's important to diagnoise the issues or get someone who can help you with that so you're not just swapping parts out but that stuff adds up fast.

If you're not trying to mod your Jeep you can get stock suspension parts cheap and the work to install them is much less compared to adjustable everything sway bar links, track bar, control arms etc. You can also do the steering, shocks and springs separately and then do the control arms later but like you said you don't care what part was the issue you just want to replace everything.

Thank you.

Greg
 

Thank you.

Greg

Definitely do the zj upgrade,some of the tj stock parts are literally hollow (lol)

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You know, I don't have anyone to blame but myself. I did just run down to Douglasville, GA to buy my Jeep without checking Carfax - at night - without even test driving it.

And just to be clear, I'm fine with what I bought. No regrets. I love this little thing, even though I've only put 50 miles on it so far.

But man, the person that sold me this is a real scumbag liar. I just can't believe how bad some people are. I would never do that to another human being.

He said it was a one-owner Jeep from Florida. Had a full story all made up about how the old guy got sick and died, and the vehicle went to his daughter and she didn't know what to do with it, and he, out of the kindness in his heart, and at the urging of his wife who had befriended the young girl who now owned the Jeep, decided to buy it from her to help her out with her bills and funeral expenses for her father. What a crock.

I was doing a thorough underbody inspection the other night with my mechanic, and we noticed there were no factory frame holes for the OEM-style side steps that I ordered. That's when the light bulb went off. Hang on a second, look at this. This was a repaired frame with plates of steel running down both sides of each frame rail and then painted with undercoating. It's a really good job, welded at every intersection where the body mounts are, cut neatly to fit, actually kind of hard to see it even up close. But clean as can be. There is no place that we could find on the frame or the body that you could poke a screwdriver into. In fact, no corrosion of any kind can be seen or felt. It is all solid and undercoated. There's barely even any surface rust anywhere.

I checked Carfax yesterday and sure enough, it's a Northern vehicle, PA and NJ with eight owners and one accident. The seller was listed as the last owner and he had been trying to sell it at auction for two years unsuccessfully. Too high a reserve I'm sure.

Like I said, no regrets. If anything I am more enamored and attached to it knowing this history. It runs great and doesn't need too much work to bring the maintenance right up to date. With the help of nice people here on this forum I've ordered the parts for it and my mechanic is excited about getting it in great shape. It's nice and clean inside and has a new top. While I don't think I got a screaming great deal on it, I didn't do too badly either at $8K.

It's my story now.

Greg