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Looks like it is time for a ZJ tie rod upgrade?

Julio P

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New owner of an old Rubi. I was just replacing the front brakes and noticed this. I found the ZJ tie rod thread first thing; glad it is such a popular upgrade.

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New owner of an old Rubi. I was just replacing the front brakes and noticed this. I found the ZJ tie rod thread first thing; glad it is such a popular upgrade.

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If you're bending your tie rod like that it might be time for a correctlync? Or even the MEGA TIE ROD from black magic brakes
 
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Looks like my jeep when I bought it! Same upgrade I did, I would rather the cheap parts bend or break rather than the expensive bits.
 
If you play in big rocks, upgrade. Otherwise, take it off, bend it back straight and reinstall it. You should also replace your dropped pitman arm with a factory style one to fix your steering geometry. You are likely feeling some bump steer as it is now.
 
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… You should also replace your dropped pitman arm with a factory style one to fix your steering geometry. You are likely feeling some bump steer as it is now.

Unless the track bar location has been modified correctly to use the dropped pitman in the proper geometry - can’t tell by the pic.

But, yeah Tober - most likely the track bar is still in the stock location, which means bump steer.
 
Unless the track bar location has been modified correctly to use the dropped pitman in the proper geometry - can’t tell by the pic.

But, yeah Tober - most likely the track bar is still in the stock location, which means bump steer.

Agreed. I didn’t question whether it was stock after seeing the picture 🤷‍♂️.
 
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If you play in big rocks, upgrade. Otherwise, take it off, bend it back straight and reinstall it. You should also replace your dropped pitman arm with a factory style one to fix your steering geometry. You are likely feeling some bump steer as it is now.

Yep,It's easy to see a stock track bar in stock mounts. Drop arm needs to go
 
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If you're bending your tie rod like that it might be time for a correctlync? Or even the MEGA TIE ROD from black magic brakes

I just purchased the Rubi so I inherited the problem. One of the things I saw going into rig. I’m not planning to make this a habit, but time will tell if the stupid side of my brain wins when I’m in that position.
 
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If you play in big rocks, upgrade. Otherwise, take it off, bend it back straight and reinstall it. You should also replace your dropped pitman arm with a factory style one to fix your steering geometry. You are likely feeling some bump steer as it is now.

Thanks for the tip. I will look into this. So what you are saying is that the pitman arm is not factory? Pretty cool that y’all can tell just by my lame pic. I will add more shortly.

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Got the parts over the weekend (Happy Independence Day to us!) and installed them. I’m taking it in tomorrow for an alignment; it wasn’t tracking that well to start with so I’m hoping this fixes it with a proper alignment.
 

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Thanks for the tip. I will look into this. So what you are saying is that the pitman arm is not factory? Pretty cool that y’all can tell just by my lame pic. I will add more shortly.

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Correct. This picture shows the difference clearly:

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A dropped pitman arm offsets the drag link connection point lower than stock. If your track bar is not also lowered by the same amount to match it, the drag link (steering) and track bar (suspension) will no longer cooperate nicely as designed. This manifests most noticeably as a jerking motion of the steering wheel when the suspension is compressed at speed when going over a bump.

More generally, the steering wheel will not hold true through suspension travel, yet the wheels will. This is commonly called bump steer.
 
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Correct. This picture shows the difference clearly:

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A dropped pitman arm offsets the drag link connection point lower than stock. If your track bar is not also lowered by the same amount to match it, the drag link (steering) and track bar (suspension) will no longer cooperate nicely as designed. This manifests most noticeably as a jerking motion of the steering wheel when the suspension is compressed at speed when going over a bump.

More generally, the steering wheel will not hold true through suspension travel, yet the wheels will. This is commonly called bump steer.

Good info - thanks! To be clear, the current suggestion by the experts is that I get a factory pitman arm to reduce bump steer? Would that mean I should get a new/longer drag link?

On a side note, why would one install a dropped pitman arm without installing a lowered track bar? Is it because whatever lift was installed on this rig was cheap? I have yet to identify what aftermarket upgrades have been installed on this. I installed a Old Man 2" lift in my other TJ (2000) and this sits much higher than that.
 
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