Dave Kishpaugh's (Jeep West) geometry correction brackets are now available

[toximus]

I wonder if Dave sold those 8 bracket sets that he had ready to ship tonight?

I know jjvw is chomping at the bit for some of that sales commission.

 

[jjvw]

I know jjvw is chomping at the bit for some of that sales commission.

We're both good for business!

 

[JMT]

You're trying so hard...

There’s nothing hard about watching a couple videos. You just need to relax.

 

[toximus]

We're both good for business!

 

[D M]

Man im lost. This is like politics, who am I supposed to believe

 

[downthepines]

It would be pretty cool to see a few rigs that where similar out of the box with these various mods done under a strict testing protocol. We just need Jeremy Clarkson in on things, He would rip on our little tractors hard.

 

[Trevlaw]

The real concern to me is that this obviously isn't the case for everyone since I've heard multiple stories now of people that bought this because of Dave's claims that it's better and cheaper than the Savvy midarm and then they're unhappy with the result. I know they're lurking here and I wish they'd speak up.

Reminds me of people who bought metal cloak fenders thinking that's all they need to run big tires (since that's what metal cloak tells them).

Obviously, if you know what you're looking at you can figure out what's true, but it took years until anyone actually compared fenders back to back to show where and where not there is extra room.

I wish they would too, that would be helpful, but no matter what who said or claimed what, if you look at $160 set of brackets and don't see anything suspicious with the claim of those being flat out better than a proven $3k setup, maybe you're not quite ready for either yet. Worst case you pay $160 to learn something

 

[Blackjack]

They both hopped up that hill. JJ’s, just not as much.

Would like to see some footage without any arm mods.

 

[someguysjeep]

i'm not quite sure when this went from this is this, to this is this vs something it's not.

i never took any of this thread as Dave was shitting on Blaine. and not even sure how the sys's came to be head to head here.
i'm seeing this as 2 different tools/sys's 1 to designed to make your DD with a lift a little better and 1 designed to make your off road vehicle a little better. neither is stock and neither is a miracle fix for everything we changed.

i don't see these as ='s i see them as different tools for different end results.

and to flip this coin without trying poking at anyone, i don't consider a 3 link front to be a DD sys. if your welder is not on his game the results are gonna be catastrophic at 75MPH.

 

[Gollywomper]

I’m still waiting for someone to input a short arm 4” lift I to a calculator and a geo into a calculator and post up the numbers so we can see what things look like?

 

[Gollywomper]

I’m still waiting for someone to input a short arm 4” lift I to a calculator and a geo into a calculator and post up the numbers so we can see what things look like?

Heck, we know the inches of change the geo makes. Somebody has to have stock numbers In A calculator already.

 

[Pressurized]

I’m still waiting for someone to input a short arm 4” lift I to a calculator and a geo into a calculator and post up the numbers so we can see what things look like?

I have mine....

First is stock TJ... Second is Lifted LJ stock locations... Third is geo improved on LJ (better term than corrected)...

 

[Gollywomper]

Hmmm interesting. Thank you.
As suspected the correction takes you about half way back toward stock numbers.

 

[Gollywomper]

It been a while since I have done anything with a link calculator.
the dot that represents where the 2 links intersect is pretty much the direction the rear tires are trying to push?

 

[Pressurized]

It been a while since I have done anything with a link calculator.
the dot that represents where the 2 links intersect is pretty much the direction the rear tires are trying to push?

Yes, it's essentially the location where the force from the tires is applied. If it's high, it causes the rear to want to lift under acceleration and if it's low, it causes the rear to want to squat under acceleration. Of course other factors such as weight transfer are involved in the action of the chassis.

 

[Pressurized]

Hmmm interesting. Thank you.
As suspected the correction takes you about half way back toward stock numbers.

Also, since the true CoG is unknown, the output changes as you change the CoG. I selected a spot near the bottom of my grill and used that spot to provide consistent data input. So, if someone used a different CoG in the calculator, they would get different numbers, but they would still show the same delta between the measurements. So whether I went from 191 to 137 or 180 to 126, the delta would still be the same.

 

[Brianj5600]

Can you post the lifted numbers for a TJ wheelbase? I don't want to tackle that on my phone.

 

[Pressurized]

Can you post the lifted numbers for a TJ wheelbase? I don't want to tackle that on my phone.

Easy enough... And interesting results. Since I hadn't thought about it before I input the data, I was expecting the results to be slightly different. And to some maybe that's the case, to me it's a bigger delta than expected. The shorter wheelbase creates a steeper 100% anti squat line making your anti squat value lower than the LJ.

First image, lifted and stock locations... Second image is lifted and geo improved locations.

 

[Gollywomper]

Does the calculator do roll center?

 

[Pressurized]

Does the calculator do roll center?

No, this is just an oversimplified instant center and anti squat (anti dive also) calc.