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Bought Another LJR Because I Have Poor Impulse Control (Again) - 37's on Stock Axles

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I didn’t plan on selling the red LJR. Honestly, I was just wrestling with the idea of redoing half my build and posted on Facebook looking for some guidance. I wasn’t prepared for the flood of people wanting to buy it. I had a number in mind, the “if someone offers this, it makes sense to start over” number and someone hit it. So… the red LJ went to a new home.

A big part of this is that I’ve never fully recovered from selling my old black LJ. The one sitting on ProRock 60s and ORIs. RIP...

The red LJ was my attempt to replace it but it never quite scratched the same itch. So when someone made a strong offer, it felt like the right moment to hit reset instead of continuing to chase the ghost of that build.

I had big winter plans for the red Jeep: Motobilt back-half stretch, new armor, highline the front, ged rid of the remaining Full Traction links, etc. Once I added up the cost of armor, links, paint, fuel cell, etc., it wasn’t going to be cheap, and I’d still be on JK axles.

Starting fresh ended up making more sense.

Here’s what I picked up:

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  • 2005 Rubicon
  • 4.0
  • Freshly rebuilt 42RLE
  • Advance Adapters RubiCrawler
  • Rubicon D44s, 5.13s, 35-spline shafts, ARBs, trussed & gusseted
  • Rock Krawler 3.5” X-Factor long arm with 4” rear stretch
  • Radflo 14” x 2” coilovers (front & rear)
  • 5 Hutchinson Rock Monsters with 37x13.5x17 Cooper STT Pros
  • Poison Spyder aluminum highline fenders
  • PS Daddy Long Legs rear stretch armor + aluminum tailgate
  • 108” wheelbase
  • Full and half doors
  • Corbeau seats
On paper, there’s a lot to like. I expected a catch, maybe flood damage or something from Texas weather but it turns out the previous owner just didn’t clean anything and couldn’t figure out why it wouldn’t sell. He had it listed for 4 months, and only one person come to see it. I tend to take stories like that with a grain of salt, but this guy struck me as honest. Never caught him in a lie, and trust me, I tried.

There's lots of cosmetic cleanup ahead. Some kind of rubberized bedliner/plastidip is peeling off the aluminum armor and grill. The steel armor potentially could use blasting and powder coat. The interior needs work. The full doors don’t line up because they weren’t aligned to this Jeep. And he pulled his light bar, winch, and windshield mounts for his TJ. All easy fixes.

Mechanically, the setup brings me right back to my red LJ: coilovers on stock-width axles. Total déjà vu. The difference is I know a little bit more than last time. First priority is cycling the suspension once it lands.

Financially, this made sense. I got into a decently built LJ for less than a third of what I sold my red one for. Even after flights, travel, and shipping, I still banked 26K. I was planning on spending thousands. The temptation is to blow it all on building this one to the moon… but let’s be honest, I’ll probably never stop tweaking things no matter what I have. Therapy might be cheaper.

PROS:
  • It’s an auto. Love the manual for around town and most Colorado trails, but there were several Moab spots where I really wanted an automatic. Pairing it with the RubiCrawler will be awesome - at least that's what I read.
  • Tons of parts I can sell to help fund upgrades.
  • Huge margin after selling the red LJ and buying this one.
CONS:
  • Built, but stock width 44s. Didn’t get to cycle before it shipped, but I’m expecting similar issues to my last setup.
  • Lots of surface rust from Texas, nothing structural, but way more than I’m used to. Anything that isn't stainless steel needs attention.
  • I'll be pulling the coilovers to refresh and clean up. Not sure I wan't to deal with cleaning the springs, or just getting new ones. We'll see.
  • The grill has a small dent. Contemplating replacing... Not sure.
  • Cooling system may need attention. Radiator was low. No overheating on an hour long test drive, but definitely something to investigate.
  • Still on stock TJ brakes. On 37s. Enough said.
I’m toying with the idea of dropping to 35s, putting a big brake kit on and running these axles for a bit, but I'm also thinking about heading straight to tons and 40s this winter. Who knows, maybe an LS as well? Honestly could go either way at this point.

Overall goal:
A streetable LJ I can drive around town with the boys, run to the San Juans, and still hang with friends on the harder Moab trails.

Excited to dig into this week and I’ll start cycling, inspecting, cleaning, and making a plan. Updates incoming.


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Did you know you can ship a jeep across the country for less than the price of fuel? I flew on credit card miles and shipped it for $700 bucks. Would have taken a minimum of 4 days driving with my truck and trailer, and way more in fuel, food, and hotels... Never shipped a vehicle like this before, so was surprised how easy it was.
 
I didn’t plan on selling the red LJR. Honestly, I was just wrestling with the idea of redoing half my build and posted on Facebook looking for some guidance. I wasn’t prepared for the flood of people wanting to buy it. I had a number in mind, the “if someone offers this, it makes sense to start over” number and someone hit it. So… the red LJ went to a new home.

A big part of this is that I’ve never fully recovered from selling my old black LJ. The one sitting on ProRock 60s and ORIs. RIP...

The red LJ was my attempt to replace it but it never quite scratched the same itch. So when someone made a strong offer, it felt like the right moment to hit reset instead of continuing to chase the ghost of that build.

I had big winter plans for the red Jeep: Motobilt back-half stretch, new armor, highline the front, ged rid of the remaining Full Traction links, etc. Once I added up the cost of armor, links, paint, fuel cell, etc., it wasn’t going to be cheap, and I’d still be on JK axles.

Starting fresh ended up making more sense.

Here’s what I picked up:

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  • 2005 Rubicon
  • 4.0
  • Freshly rebuilt 42RLE
  • Advance Adapters RubiCrawler
  • Rubicon D44s, 5.13s, 35-spline shafts, ARBs, trussed & gusseted
  • Rock Krawler 3.5” X-Factor long arm with 4” rear stretch
  • Radflo 14” x 2” coilovers (front & rear)
  • 5 Hutchinson Rock Monsters with 37x13.5x17 Cooper STT Pros
  • Poison Spyder aluminum highline fenders
  • PS Daddy Long Legs rear stretch armor + aluminum tailgate
  • 108” wheelbase
  • Full and half doors
  • Corbeau seats
On paper, there’s a lot to like. I expected a catch, maybe flood damage or something from Texas weather but it turns out the previous owner just didn’t clean anything and couldn’t figure out why it wouldn’t sell. He had it listed for 4 months, and only one person come to see it. I tend to take stories like that with a grain of salt, but this guy struck me as honest. Never caught him in a lie, and trust me, I tried.

There's lots of cosmetic cleanup ahead. Some kind of rubberized bedliner/plastidip is peeling off the aluminum armor and grill. The steel armor potentially could use blasting and powder coat. The interior needs work. The full doors don’t line up because they weren’t aligned to this Jeep. And he pulled his light bar, winch, and windshield mounts for his TJ. All easy fixes.

Mechanically, the setup brings me right back to my red LJ: coilovers on stock-width axles. Total déjà vu. The difference is I know a little bit more than last time. First priority is cycling the suspension once it lands.

Financially, this made sense. I got into a decently built LJ for less than a third of what I sold my red one for. Even after flights, travel, and shipping, I still banked 26K. I was planning on spending thousands. The temptation is to blow it all on building this one to the moon… but let’s be honest, I’ll probably never stop tweaking things no matter what I have. Therapy might be cheaper.

PROS:
  • It’s an auto. Love the manual for around town and most Colorado trails, but there were several Moab spots where I really wanted an automatic. Pairing it with the RubiCrawler will be awesome - at least that's what I read.
  • Tons of parts I can sell to help fund upgrades.
  • Huge margin after selling the red LJ and buying this one.
CONS:
  • Built, but stock width 44s. Didn’t get to cycle before it shipped, but I’m expecting similar issues to my last setup.
  • Lots of surface rust from Texas, nothing structural, but way more than I’m used to. Anything that isn't stainless steel needs attention.
  • I'll be pulling the coilovers to refresh and clean up. Not sure I wan't to deal with cleaning the springs, or just getting new ones. We'll see.
  • The grill has a small dent. Contemplating replacing... Not sure.
  • Cooling system may need attention. Radiator was low. No overheating on an hour long test drive, but definitely something to investigate.
  • Still on stock TJ brakes. On 37s. Enough said.
I’m toying with the idea of dropping to 35s, putting a big brake kit on and running these axles for a bit, but I'm also thinking about heading straight to tons and 40s this winter. Who knows, maybe an LS as well? Honestly could go either way at this point.

Overall goal:
A streetable LJ I can drive around town with the boys, run to the San Juans, and still hang with friends on the harder Moab trails.

Excited to dig into this week and I’ll start cycling, inspecting, cleaning, and making a plan. Updates incoming.


View attachment 656897View attachment 656900View attachment 656901

Did you know you can ship a jeep across the country for less than the price of fuel? I flew on credit card miles and shipped it for $700 bucks. Would have taken a minimum of 4 days driving with my truck and trailer, and way more in fuel, food, and hotels... Never shipped a vehicle like this before, so was surprised how easy it was.

Niiiice! At first appearance I'd say this was a steal!
 
I didn’t plan on selling the red LJR. Honestly, I was just wrestling with the idea of redoing half my build and posted on Facebook looking for some guidance. I wasn’t prepared for the flood of people wanting to buy it. I had a number in mind, the “if someone offers this, it makes sense to start over” number and someone hit it. So… the red LJ went to a new home.

A big part of this is that I’ve never fully recovered from selling my old black LJ. The one sitting on ProRock 60s and ORIs. RIP...

The red LJ was my attempt to replace it but it never quite scratched the same itch. So when someone made a strong offer, it felt like the right moment to hit reset instead of continuing to chase the ghost of that build.

I had big winter plans for the red Jeep: Motobilt back-half stretch, new armor, highline the front, ged rid of the remaining Full Traction links, etc. Once I added up the cost of armor, links, paint, fuel cell, etc., it wasn’t going to be cheap, and I’d still be on JK axles.

Starting fresh ended up making more sense.

Here’s what I picked up:

View attachment 656893

  • 2005 Rubicon
  • 4.0
  • Freshly rebuilt 42RLE
  • Advance Adapters RubiCrawler
  • Rubicon D44s, 5.13s, 35-spline shafts, ARBs, trussed & gusseted
  • Rock Krawler 3.5” X-Factor long arm with 4” rear stretch
  • Radflo 14” x 2” coilovers (front & rear)
  • 5 Hutchinson Rock Monsters with 37x13.5x17 Cooper STT Pros
  • Poison Spyder aluminum highline fenders
  • PS Daddy Long Legs rear stretch armor + aluminum tailgate
  • 108” wheelbase
  • Full and half doors
  • Corbeau seats
On paper, there’s a lot to like. I expected a catch, maybe flood damage or something from Texas weather but it turns out the previous owner just didn’t clean anything and couldn’t figure out why it wouldn’t sell. He had it listed for 4 months, and only one person come to see it. I tend to take stories like that with a grain of salt, but this guy struck me as honest. Never caught him in a lie, and trust me, I tried.

There's lots of cosmetic cleanup ahead. Some kind of rubberized bedliner/plastidip is peeling off the aluminum armor and grill. The steel armor potentially could use blasting and powder coat. The interior needs work. The full doors don’t line up because they weren’t aligned to this Jeep. And he pulled his light bar, winch, and windshield mounts for his TJ. All easy fixes.

Mechanically, the setup brings me right back to my red LJ: coilovers on stock-width axles. Total déjà vu. The difference is I know a little bit more than last time. First priority is cycling the suspension once it lands.

Financially, this made sense. I got into a decently built LJ for less than a third of what I sold my red one for. Even after flights, travel, and shipping, I still banked 26K. I was planning on spending thousands. The temptation is to blow it all on building this one to the moon… but let’s be honest, I’ll probably never stop tweaking things no matter what I have. Therapy might be cheaper.

PROS:
  • It’s an auto. Love the manual for around town and most Colorado trails, but there were several Moab spots where I really wanted an automatic. Pairing it with the RubiCrawler will be awesome - at least that's what I read.
  • Tons of parts I can sell to help fund upgrades.
  • Huge margin after selling the red LJ and buying this one.
CONS:
  • Built, but stock width 44s. Didn’t get to cycle before it shipped, but I’m expecting similar issues to my last setup.
  • Lots of surface rust from Texas, nothing structural, but way more than I’m used to. Anything that isn't stainless steel needs attention.
  • I'll be pulling the coilovers to refresh and clean up. Not sure I wan't to deal with cleaning the springs, or just getting new ones. We'll see.
  • The grill has a small dent. Contemplating replacing... Not sure.
  • Cooling system may need attention. Radiator was low. No overheating on an hour long test drive, but definitely something to investigate.
  • Still on stock TJ brakes. On 37s. Enough said.
I’m toying with the idea of dropping to 35s, putting a big brake kit on and running these axles for a bit, but I'm also thinking about heading straight to tons and 40s this winter. Who knows, maybe an LS as well? Honestly could go either way at this point.

Overall goal:
A streetable LJ I can drive around town with the boys, run to the San Juans, and still hang with friends on the harder Moab trails.

Excited to dig into this week and I’ll start cycling, inspecting, cleaning, and making a plan. Updates incoming.


View attachment 656897View attachment 656900View attachment 656901

Did you know you can ship a jeep across the country for less than the price of fuel? I flew on credit card miles and shipped it for $700 bucks. Would have taken a minimum of 4 days driving with my truck and trailer, and way more in fuel, food, and hotels... Never shipped a vehicle like this before, so was surprised how easy it was.

Terrible deal - I'll give you $15,001 :)
 
It would be nice to get one of those chrome grill covers….

Cover the dent and add a little bling

You could just about part that thing out and be OK

I realize that’s kind of a stretch statement. I’m saying you got a lot for your money.
 
Update: all the suspension joints need to be replaced. I was unaware of RK’s funky sizing and proprietary joints.

Surprised by how well this kit performs otherwise though on the forklift! The rear is barely hitting the coils at full flex. Anticpated contact sooner.

No bumps up front because the control arms contact the frame before the tires hit the fender.

Coilovers need to be rebuilt and springs - debating that or ORI’s.

Now I’m considering running these axles and hoping I can gain some traction in that ROTY contest coming up for some brakes.

I’m either going to spend 25K+ is on wheels, tires, axles, PSC, new links and joints, driveshafts, ORI’s, cage.

Or

Send it as is for a while, clean up some cosmetic stuff, brakes, and rebuild/replace the coilovers, and new RK bushings.

What would guys be doing?

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Update: all the suspension joints need to be replaced. I was unaware of RK’s funky sizing and proprietary joints.

Surprised by how well this kit performs otherwise though on the forklift! The rear is barely hitting the coils at full flex. Anticpated contact sooner.

No bumps up front because the control arms contact the frame before the tires hit the fender.

Coilovers need to be rebuilt and springs - debating that or ORI’s.

Now I’m considering running these axles and hoping I can gain some traction in that ROTY contest coming up for some brakes.

I’m either going to spend 25K+ is on wheels, tires, axles, PSC, new links and joints, driveshafts, ORI’s, cage.

Or

Send it as is for a while, clean up some cosmetic stuff, brakes, and rebuild/replace the coilovers, and new RK bushings.

What would guys be doing?

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I kinda check it out and send it!
 
I really need to get off marketplace…
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May buy these along with another LJ to steal parts from. Not sure. Sleeping on the decision. Don’t want to regret rushing into a build, but also want to make some decisions before the Black Friday sales end.

Also considering a set of gladiator or JL axles and staying on 37’s. I really don’t think I need 40’s. I would even leave the 37’s on the stock axles and just eat through parts if they were just a little wider.

I really enjoyed how my red LJ transformed when I went to the slightly wider JK axle and I was able to angle my coilovers out instead of in.

This one feels just a little more squirely, like my red one did before the swap.

I got a killer deal on those axles 3 years ago, and am not finding anything similar now. Primarily the beefier reflex housing on the front.

Pros would be keeping my wheels and tires, gaining the width and stability I’m after, without having the weight of tons and needing to upgrade to PSC. Right now, I’m running the factory pump and a redneck ram - not sure how long that will work for me, but I assume I’ll get by better than just the stock steering box I was running on the Red Jeep.

I’m just rambling my thoughts here, as I keep teetering between my options.

I did find a clean black grille for $200 bucks though. Picking that up tomorrow.
 
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Happy Thanksgiving guys!

Didn't wind up doing the deal on the axles, wheels and tires. Thought I could lowball him as it's all been listed for over a month. Thought He would bite and unload it all after the holiday. Someone snagged the tires, which was a big selling point for me.

I did pick up a new grille last night though.
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And some 97-02 seat brackets. PO owner took out the seat brackets with his seats. The Corebeau seats in it are mounted directly to the floor currently, so I'm hoping I can mount them up to these and gain back some height. Wanted PRP seats, but realize these seats will probably be fine when mated to the right sliders instead of just bolted to the floor. At worse, it was 20 bucks.
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Really want to make decisions before the weekend. It's going to cost $1600 to rebuild the Radflo's, which would be the cheapest option.

I'm leaning towards just rebuilding all the RK joints, since those parts are on sale. Rebuilding, or replacing the shocks (going to shop Black Friday sales, could probably go new for not much more) , and cleaning this thing up and running as is to figure out what I like and don't.

Needs a cage anyway. Genright is really the only option I have for a kit right?

The half doors have some rock rash. I'm thinking of rocking the aluminum armor from the half doors on them. I think RAW aluminum might look great. I'd pull the rear PS armor and probably go with aluminum rear. Will likely be cheaper than re-powdercoating. What do you guys think?

Supposing I should just move this a build thread? Is that something I can do, or do I need @Chris to help with that?
 
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