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Complain about your daily driver

It would appear that the entire "turd " gen. was a stop gap.

I could agree with that idea. I like my truck but it could be so so much better than it is. My Frontiers were better at being trucks, but they were end of the model run and the build quality was bad on both of them. Still want to pick up an early year one if I can find one in good shape.
 
No complaints about my DD!

I do wish it had less power crap and a manual, but given its other attributes, I can't complain.
 
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Bought a 2022 4Runner Sr5 Premium, the cab is much more comfortable than the Tacoma I owned. It definitely isn't a track burner, corners like a dump truck and isn't much better than a V8 mpg wise. They hold their value though.

I dont like the direct injection engines, seeing some of the pictures of the valves on them and the walnut shell cleaning crap they do, forget it!
 
I could agree with that idea. I like my truck but it could be so so much better than it is. My Frontiers were better at being trucks, but they were end of the model run and the build quality was bad on both of them. Still want to pick up an early year one if I can find one in good shape.

I have used my 04 Tacoma TRD Access Cab 3.4 V-6 5 spd. manual since 2015 with no real complaints , ball joints , and rear springs have been the only major items in 120,000 miles. I've never had broken springs on on any of my Chevy pickups and had 5000 lbs on the 1980 K-20 C6P . Toyota made great vehicles , but they are kind of a half ass truck . At least ours has the 6 ' 2.5" bed .
 
I have used my 04 Tacoma TRD Access Cab 3.4 V-6 5 spd. manual since 2015 with no real complaints , ball joints , and rear springs have been the only major items in 120,000 miles. I've never had broken springs on on any of my Chevy pickups and had 5000 lbs on the 1980 K-20 C6P . Toyota made great vehicles , but they are kind of a half ass truck . At least ours has the 6 ' 2.5" bed .

I call them 1/8 ton trucks
 
I call them 1/8 ton trucks

I've had 1400 lb.s in the Taco , the suspension wasn't the happiest , but the power was good . Our 1983 GMC T-15 could easily carry 2000 lbs. and felt comfortable . But the 2.8 V-6 only had 115 h.p. , and that was the highest power option . Thankfully I traded it off for a 78 K-10 because we were having a second kid and the math didn't work for 2 car seats .
 
I dont like the direct injection engines, seeing some of the pictures of the valves on them and the walnut shell cleaning crap they do, forget it!

After seeing stuff online about the direct injected gas engines, I was sure I didn't want one, but now I have one (Honda). We picked it up used and it has 165K on it now with no issues. I make sure to run good "top tier" gas in my cars and a bottle of Techron at least once every oil change in that one just trying to keep things extra clean.

On the other side of that, my MIL has a direct injected Explorer. She runs whatever fuel is convenient and no additional cleaners, but she lets the local Ford dealership service the vehicle. Around 140K they told her it was time to clean the valves, walnut blasting like you said, which cost something like $1,400. Well a week later her cats failed. I'm convinced something from the cleaning killed those cats. I won't be having mine cleaned unless I start having some issues that mandates the cleaning.
 
2021 Tacoma TRD Off-Road with the 6-Speed Manual

  • 3.5L is the most lethargic V6 I've ever driven. It was a CAFE choice by Toyota and it pisses me off everytime I think about it. The 4.0L was available in the 4Runner beyond discontinuation of the Tacoma V6...plain and simple, it should have had the 4.0L.
  • 3.5L in the Tacoma is known for about 5 or 6 different major problems. May not happen to you, but a good chance of at least one of them happening by 200K, and they are all large inconveniences.
    • Burns valves due to valve guide failures
    • Timing cover leaks from poor timing cover-cylinder head-block junction design
    • Plastic long to short runner flap in the intake manifold likes to break and drop parts down onto the tops of the intake valves and cause limp mode
    • Plastic coolant bypass pipe at the back of the motor connecting the cylinder heads likes to crack and leak coolant. Can only replace by spending 10 hours on it either removing transmission or laying on top of the engine and removing all of the intake related stuff including direct injectors.
    • Rocker failures leading to needle bearings being picked up by oil pump and grenading the motor.
  • High pressure fuel pump on the 3.5L makes a chirping noise on many different brands of fuel. Seems to depend on additive and ethanol. If the fuel has ethanol, it needs additives to combat the chirping caused by ethanol. If it's Ethanol free fuel, I have never heard a chirp regardless of additive. Makes it sound like a beater when your constant chirping noise is deemed "normal."
  • AC evaporator box likes to condense and drip water on the floor. Has nothing to do with the condensate drain being clear or not, it is a poorly insulated box design that sweats on the outside and pisses all over the passenger's feet.

Any other complaints I have would be minor. Just really don't like the engine. It doesn't drive well, it doesn't boost confidence in reliability, and overall is just the plain wrong choice of engine for the truck.

I am excited about the 4th Gen tacoma and really want to pick up one with the manual. A well-designed Turbo 4 should be much better than a bad V6, IMO. After thoroughly reading through the engine design document, it seems like a really well designed engine. It checks almost all the boxes for what you want as far as reliability and power go.

Well, for one, the 3.5 was shoehorned into the truck. It has a different block and cylinder heads than all the other 3.5s, which they came up with pretty quickly. The rest of the stuff was adapted to fit the longitudinal mounting layout, so I doubt any of it got much attention. It shares cylinder heads with the Highlander version of the same engine, which is the only other vehicle from Toyota with a V6 known for burning valves. Basically, they made the engine work. They didn't really design it for this truck.

Being a 4 cylinder, there is no coolant crossover pipe. The timing cover has been redesigned to have front and rear timing covers which eliminates the point where all of the single timing cover setups leak. Front/rear timing cover setups are known to work well. Intake manifold could still exhibit issues with the flap breaking, just depends on how they designed it.

Not saying I think the 4 cylinder won't have problems, but it's just a different circumstance. The 3.5L was a stopgap to bridge the gap between 2nd gen and 4th gen. It was not the engine that was always meant to be for the truck. The turbo 4 they knew would be in this truck from the get-go and has had longer engineering time and it is missing critical components that are known to fail. I have a lot more hope for it. But of course, only time will tell.

This is what frustrates me about vehicles for at least the last 6+ years. They seem to have decided that the consumer doesn't matter. As long as there's a radio (with BIG screen) and the seats are comfortable, the consumer will drive away with it before they notice the problems. They're really only trying to meet EPA standards.

Take a vehicle that should have a V6 and decent power, throw that out because the EPA said so. Change it to a 4 cylinder with a turbo (often worse or similar gas mileage). It will have more power than the V6 and the consumer will like that. Nevermind that you're adding more points of failure with the turbo. So now we're throwing longevity out the window. Hopefully it lasts near 100K (or at least until the warranty expires). Regardless, the consumer will be forced to buy a new vehicle sooner than they did before. Good for the economy, good for car MFG's. Bad for the consumer.
 
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the consumer will be forced to buy a new vehicle sooner than they did before. Good for the economy, good for car MFG's. Bad for the consumer.

That is what the manufactures want, consumers, which is why so many things in modern vehicles have become subscription based. One of the Ford CEOs said it in an interview 4-5 years ago. He mentioned that Ford wants to be in the vehicle leasing business, not selling. Some of that you-will-own-nothing-and-be-happy bullshit.

Speaking of subscription based dumbassery, have yall heard of some of the bullshit the manufactures are pumping out and some dumbasses are paying for, like BMW making people pay monthly for M-series suspension tuning and heated seats. 🤦‍♂️ Anyone willing to pay for shit like that should be tied to a tree and whipped.
 
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That is what the manufactures want, consumers, which is why some many things in modern vehicles have become subscription based. One of the Ford CEOs said it in an interview 4-5 years ago. He mentioned that Ford wants to be in the vehicle leasing business, not selling. Some of that you will own nothing and be happy bullshit.

Speaking of subscription based dumbassery, have yall heard of some of the bullshit the manufactures are pumping out and some dumbasses are paying for, like BMW making people pay monthly for M-series suspension tuning and heated seats. 🤦‍♂️ Anyone willing to pay for shit like that should be ties to a tree and whipped.

Yes, the MFG's love leases because you never own the vehicle, you're just paying the depreciation. Once the lease is up, they hope to get you into another lease. Then they sell the vehicle (that you paid all the depreciation for) and make more money. For the most part, leases are good for businesses for tax reasons. Also for people with bad financial habits that MUST drive vehicles that they would never be able to afford to purchase. This is the guy driving a luxury car and lives in an apartment, no savings, no retirement, etc. That guy should be driving a TJ for fuck sake! ;)

Similar with my Ram truck. If you want to use the smart phone app to unlock it and do other things (remote start if you have that), you have to pay a monthly fee. I think $15 / month. Not worth it to me. Meanwhile, the app for my wife's Ford Expedition is free.
 
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This is what frustrates me about vehicles for at least the last 6+ years. They seem to have decided that the consumer doesn't matter. As long as there's a radio (with BIG screen) and the seats are comfortable, the consumer will drive away with it before they notice the problems. They're really only trying to meet EPA standards.

Take a vehicle that should have a V6 and decent power, throw that out because the EPA said so. Change it to a 4 cylinder with a turbo (often worse or similar gas mileage). It will have more power than the V6 and the consumer will like that. Nevermind that you're adding more points of failure with the turbo. So now we're throwing longevity out the window. Hopefully it lasts near 100K (or at least until the warranty expires). Regardless, the consumer will be forced to buy a new vehicle sooner than they did before. Good for the economy, good for car MFG's. Bad for the consumer.

I think it depends on the engine. My whole point was that I think the V6 I have sucks, although that V6 was designed with a lot of econo-crap in mind, so I think that is why it is that way.

I’m not scared of turbo motors as a concept, but I think a lot of the manufacturers are building them to be bigger turds than the naturally aspirated motors they replaced. However, I do think a few of them are okay. The Ford 2.3, 2.7, and Toyota 2.4 all seem promising. I’m not at all excited about anything else.

I do overall agree that the consumer has been totally and utterly screwed in this entire process. Nothing is ever about the consumer in North America. It’s why most of the modern engines all recommend to run ONLY 20 grade oil while other countries get the very logical viscosity chart in their owner’s manual so they can make the decision based on what it best for them. It’s not about the consumer or what is best, it’s about what helps the manufacturer look best to the EPA so they save on CAFE fines.
 
You guys are giving me second thoughts about getting rid of my 2 dead reliable diesels and going into the unknown with a new gasser.

What are you looking at getting instead? I would say the intelligence level of your decision would depend on that. A lot of differences between all the gassers.
 
What are you looking at getting instead? I would say the intelligence level of your decision would depend on that. A lot of differences between all the gassers.

2024 or 2025 Ford Ranger 4x4 2.7. I am somewhat limited in choices as I don't fit well in many cars.
 
Novak Conversions Jeep Wrangler TJ engine mounts