33s With GenRight Highline Fenders on Stock Suspension

[02GreenTJ]

I'm running a very low ride height, but kept even travel numbers as a necessity in my build. I partially did it because I like the look but also because it works well for me. When you measure my front springs it measures to 1 inch higher than stock and the jeep feels pretty level. I get six inches of uptravel in the rear and four up five down in the front (front isn't done).What I have noticed is my Jeep is much more stable then friends of mine who are running the currie 4 inch lifts , but I also am stretched 5.5 inches. The plan is bigger axles in which I will raise the ride height to clear 37s+ and get some more ground clearance.

Do what works for you but keep everything said here in mind. I definitely use my skids and would say that if you do keep it low, good tucked up skids are a must. Getting the 6 inches of uptravel was a lot of work and required lots of cutting, but in the end I am really happy with the performance. I wheel with two groups, one on mostly thirty fives and another on mostly 40s and my jeep is able to keep up in nor cal and JV.

Here is an older photo that shows the how it sits.

 

[D's Jeep Wrld]

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I'm running a very low ride height, but kept even travel numbers as a necessity in my build. I partially did it because I like the look but also because it works well for me. When you measure my front springs it measures to 1 inch higher than stock and the jeep feels pretty level. I get six inches of uptravel in the rear and four up five down in the front (front isn't done).What I have noticed is my Jeep is much more stable then friends of mine who are running the currie 4 inch lifts , but I also am stretched 5.5 inches. The plan is bigger axles in which I will raise the ride height to clear 37s+ and get some more ground clearance.

Do what works for you but keep everything said here in mind. I definitely use my skids and would say that if you do keep it low, good tucked up skids are a must. Getting the 6 inches of uptravel was a lot of work and required lots of cutting, but in the end I am really happy with the performance. I wheel with two groups, one on mostly thirty fives and another on mostly 40s and my jeep is able to keep up in nor cal and JV.

Here is an older photo that shows the how it sits.
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Man that thing looks sweet man,that's definitely the look I'm going for,somewhat low and stable !
Need to be stable since I daily my Lj

 

[mrblaine]

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Man that thing looks sweet man,that's definitely the look I'm going for,somewhat low and stable !
Need to be stable since I daily my Lj

You keep equating low with stability and that just isn't true. I can build you a belly dragger that is terribly unstable and no fun at all to drive or I can build you a 5" lifted rig on 37's or 40's that you can drift around corners.

 

[mrblaine]

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Man that thing looks sweet man,that's definitely the look I'm going for,somewhat low and stable !
Need to be stable since I daily my Lj

Don't let him lead you too far down the garden path. He is keeping up with the rigs on 40's in JV because they let him.

 

[jjvw]

I have a feeling the whole LCOG fad migrated over from the world of low-slung, slow moving rock buggies.

In that world, staying “low and stable”, seems to work for most places, and you can get away with only having 4” of up on a 14” shock. Applying those principles to Jeeps is very dumb though.

Historically over the last 15ish years, LCoG was a way to justify a cheaper and easier build that satisfies an aesthetic for big tires on a flashy rig that parallels the brodozer truck world of low substance and big peacocking.

 

[Apparition]

Man that thing looks sweet man,

Have you seen any of MrBlaine’s builds?

 

[D's Jeep Wrld]

Have you seen any of MrBlaine’s builds?

No sir havent really bothered to be honest,i probably will as i see other threads over time

 

[Mike_H]

No sir havent really bothered to be honest,i probably will as i see other threads over time

You should go looking. I’d post a couple, but don’t have them handy, off hand.

 

[02GreenTJ]

Don't let him lead you too far down the garden path. He is keeping up with the rigs on 40's in JV because they let him.

I should specify it’s not on every trail. Primarily the easier ones like claw hammer, sun bonnet, turkey claw, chocolate thunder, lower and upper big Johnson, boulderdash etc. A tj on 35s will obviously not go everywhere a properly built rig will go (no lift or 4 inch lift) but on those trails and NorCal stuff like the rubicon I’m not holding the group up. I’m just sharing my experience with my jeep not telling him what to do

 

[mrblaine]

I should specify it’s not on every trail. Primarily the easier ones like claw hammer, sun bonnet, turkey claw, chocolate thunder, lower and upper big Johnson, boulderdash etc. A tj on 35s will obviously not go everywhere a properly built rig will go (no lift or 4 inch lift) but on those trails and NorCal stuff like the rubicon I’m not holding the group up. I’m just sharing my experience with my jeep not telling him what to do

You should post up some current pics of your undercarriage so he can see how much you are dragging even on those trails.

 

[PNW_LJ]

Historically over the last 15ish years, LCoG was a way to justify a cheaper and easier build that satisfies an aesthetic for big tires on a flashy rig that parallels the brodozer truck world of low substance and big peacocking.

And nowadays it’s many of the high budget builds too. Case in point - genright tracer kit.

 

[PNW_LJ]

I should specify it’s not on every trail. Primarily the easier ones like claw hammer, sun bonnet, turkey claw, chocolate thunder, lower and upper big Johnson, boulderdash etc. A tj on 35s will obviously not go everywhere a properly built rig will go (no lift or 4 inch lift) but on those trails and NorCal stuff like the rubicon I’m not holding the group up. I’m just sharing my experience with my jeep not telling him what to do

Will it keep up with the standard TJ 35s build?

 

[02GreenTJ]

You should post up some current pics of your undercarriage so he can see how much you are dragging even on those trails.

I did mention that in my original post. I am not near the jeep as I’m working an hour from where I keep it but I’ll do so if I remember it. It definitely shows that it drags quite a bit though. Especially on the factory control arm frame side brackets and factory body mounts which have since been replaced.

I know you have the experience knowing what works well and I’m not trying to argue at all. Your builds look awesome. Mine sits lower but the intention is to potentially run 14s or gain belly height when I run different axles and bigger tires via changing shock mounts on the axle.

 

[02GreenTJ]

Will it keep up with the standard TJ 35s build?

I would argue it does some things better and some things worse. By standard tj I’m assuming you mean 4 inch lift? Part of what I enjoy about wheeling is being with a variety of rigs that have strengths and weaknesses and can require different lines. I’d imagine a day on the trail would be less interesting if every single rig is a mid arm’s tj on 35s. Watching a variety of leaf sprung Toyotas, one ton rigs, buggies, mild Jeeps like mine, flat fenders and full size rigs all take a try at the same obstacles is pretty interesting.

 

[mrblaine]

I would argue it does some things better and some things worse.

You could argue that point, I've been out there far too long with too many different TJ builds for you to win that debate but you could still try. I'd just stop you mid-sentence, haul you over to Sledge and have you show me.

 

[02GreenTJ]

You could argue that point, I've been out there far too long with to many different TJ builds for you to win that debate but you could still try. I'd just stop you mid-sentence, haul you over to Sledge and have you show me.

Fair enough that one ledge on sledge would stop me in my tracks. Not trying to debate. Just saying my Jeeps works good enough to keep up not saying it’s better

Here is the obstacle in question

Edit: and when I say it does something’s better I’m comparing to a stock shock location non tuned bolt on 4” Currie short arm stock wheelbase tj

 

[mrblaine]

Fair enough that one ledge on sledge would stop me in my tracks. Not trying to debate. Just saying my Jeeps works good enough to keep up not saying it’s better

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Here is the obstacle in question

Edit: and when I say it does something’s better I’m comparing to a stock shock location non tuned bolt on 4” Currie short arm stock wheelbase tj

I'm aware. I know exactly how a rig built like yours works out there and all the issues it will have. There is nothing a stock wheelbase TJ on 35's with less than 4" of lift and a raised belly does better at than anything else. It can get over some of the trails, it is going to be more work than it could be but it can be done.

 

[jjvw]

And nowadays it’s many of the high budget builds too. Case in point - genright tracer kit.

Big tires can disguise a lot of poor design.

 

[tworley]

Unfortunately there's a lot I cant see in the thread but I can gleam from other responses that its to avoid the LCG build. Definitely listen. LCG create a lot of compromises.

I am nowhere near a LCG build. I have highlines, 4" coils, short arm control arms, a saggy body lift and 12" shocks in the rear with 7" of uptravel and 10.75" ranchos up front with 5.25" of uptravel. The rear is outboarded, and the front has different, lower shock mounts than factory had. I rock crawl and never has stability been a concern of mine. I've drifted dirt roads, spun 180 on a hwy, and can sorta kinda go fast on dirt roads. I'm not afraid to lean the rig over. The uptravel I have built in is what makes everything work (and custom tuned shocks play a roll).

Off camber with the current setup. I've definitely layed my rig over in the past, but that wasn't because of my lift, that was because I chose a horrible line.

This is a good example, the body is relatively level but with the 7" of uptravel built in, my rig is stable here.

I'll admit it was scary at first, but the rig is far from flopping here. Even the other one behind me which was a nearly identical build.

 

[D's Jeep Wrld]

Unfortunately there's a lot I cant see in the thread but I can gleam from other responses that its to avoid the LCG build. Definitely listen. LCG create a lot of compromises.

I am nowhere near a LCG build. I have highlines, 4" coils, short arm control arms, a saggy body lift and 12" shocks in the rear with 7" of uptravel and 10.75" ranchos up front with 5.25" of uptravel. The rear is outboarded, and the front has different, lower shock mounts than factory had. I rock crawl and never has stability been a concern of mine. I've drifted dirt roads, spun 180 on a hwy, and can sorta kinda go fast on dirt roads. I'm not afraid to lean the rig over. The uptravel I have built in is what makes everything work (and custom tuned shocks play a roll).

Off camber with the current setup. I've definitely layed my rig over in the past, but that wasn't because of my lift, that was because I chose a horrible line.

This is a good example, the body is relatively level but with the 7" of uptravel built in, my rig is stable here.
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I'll admit it was scary at first, but the rig is far from flopping here. Even the other one behind me which was a nearly identical build.
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You sir explained it very well
That was my main concern for daily driving about being too tall and my fear of flopping either being On or off road rock crawling
I figure that with good suspension For example Adjustable shocks, front&rear Antirocn or Sway loc, outboarded shocks with good valving like you said it plays a roll,either you want your ride to be soft or stiff. Either you want more rebound or compression & vice versa it all plays a roll

- Note Since im loved on this thread,
before yall gang up on my 19 year old self those are my calculated assumptions! so correct me if I'm wrong please

Im Excited to hear and see yall's reponses