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Jeep will not stay running

Ammo84

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Sorry for the long post, but I am trying to give as much background as possible.

I inherited a 1997 Wrangler with a 2.5L. It has 198,XXX miles on it but the engine and the majority of the engine sensors were replaced at 196,XXX. It was running fine up until it was parked about 2 years ago. I didn't do anything with it because I did not have the title at the time and had too much other things going on in my life. A few weeks back, I decided it was time to get it back on the road. I finally had the title, so I renewed the registration and bought a new battery for it. It started up with hardly any issue when I decided to clean it up and then move it into my shop to start going through everything.

After I got it in the shop and cleaned out some of the rats nests from sitting, I could not get it to start again. The engine would just crank and crank like it was getting no spark. I found multiple spots in the wiring where rats and mice had chewed on the insulation and a vacuum line that had been chewed through. I repaired all of it and still no change. I realized the ASD was not getting the ground signal from the PCM to close, so I tested both the cam and crank position sensors, the MAP sensor, and the TPS sensor. They all checked out good. I then tested the +5VDC supply from the PCM and noticed i was only getting about 1.6VDC with all of the 5 volt sensors unplugged. After everything I had tested, the posts I read on this forum and the videos I had watched on youtube, I decided the PCM had to be bad. Most of my adult professional experience has been in electronics as an electronic technician or an automation technician in oil and gas. As such, I figured I'd crack the PCM open to see what was going on inside. Sure enough, two of the capacitors has leaked onto the PCB and the resulting corrosion had caused the small transformer to separate from the board as well.

I ordered a new PCM through Flagship One and installed it. The Jeep will start almost as soon as you turn it over every time. However, it will only run for a couple seconds. My initial thought was SKIM, but FS1 assures me they disabled that in the PCM before shipping it to me. I have had my steering column completely apart and there is NO SKIM module present. The only reason I am inclined to believe FS1 did disable the SKIM is because if you pour gas or spray starting fluid directly into the TB, it will stay running as long as you keep giving it fuel. Doesn't the SKIM kill spark and fuel?

My next thought was that it has to be the fuel supply (pump/sending unit/filter/injectors). I have a fuel pressure tester, but I have been unable to use it because my fuel rail does not have a Schrader valve or a PRV of any sort that I can connect it to and I have yet to acquire an adapter that'll fit my fuel line. I did, however, pull the rail and all the injectors and tried turning the Jeep over with them out, but still connected to the wiring and the fuel rail. The fuel pump is producing enough pressure to open the injectors and they spray as they should. Also, the ASD relay is staying engaged the entire time.

I am at a loss on what to do next. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
Does it die immediatly after start or can you rev it to keep it alive? If it kept dying at idle and youve checked all other things i would maybe check your idle air controller if its faulty, extremely dirty/dead
 
Does it die immediatly after start or can you rev it to keep it alive? If it kept dying at idle and youve checked all other things i would maybe check your idle air controller if its faulty, extremely dirty/dead

Sorry, I forgot to mention that was another thing I pulled, cleaned and tested. It will still die, even in mid rev.
 
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Isn't there a process for SKIM jeeps, where you also have to unplug or ground out the skim module or something? I swear I read that in a thread recently. I know just about nothing about that circuit though.

When it dies, will it immediately start back up? Curious that the ASD doesn't trip when it dies. Does the fuel pump relay stay on? I don't have a theory yet, I'm just collecting data.

Well, maybe I have a theory. @Jerry Bransford - when the ignition cylinder goes bad, will it ever present as a jeep that dies? Or does it always present as a jeep that won't even start? Related: if you have a running jeep and simply turn the key back one notch, does the ASD stay on?
 
Isn't there a process for SKIM jeeps, where you also have to unplug or ground out the skim module or something? I swear I read that in a thread recently. I know just about nothing about that circuit though.

When it dies, will it immediately start back up? Curious that the ASD doesn't trip when it dies. Does the fuel pump relay stay on? I don't have a theory yet, I'm just collecting data.

Well, maybe I have a theory. @Jerry Bransford - when the ignition cylinder goes bad, will it ever present as a jeep that dies? Or does it always present as a jeep that won't even start? Related: if you have a running jeep and simply turn the key back one notch, does the ASD stay on?

There is no SKIM module, but yes, the jeep will immediately restart. The key has to be cycled off and back on though.The fuel pump continues to run as well, so long as it hasn't hit the pressure shut off.
 
Flagship is not a PCM supplier I trust for quality or reliability. I'd check with @Mark Cantrell who owns www.wranglerfix.com a trusted good PCM repairer and provider.

I've read about Mark in several posts on multiple forums. He's probably going to be my next stop. I was just hoping to confirm it's PCM related before going that route. I still feel like it almost had to be, but the fact that'll it'll keep running if you supply fuel in the throttle body is throwing me for a loop. It makes no sense to me.
 
I've read about Mark in several posts on multiple forums. He's probably going to be my next stop. I was just hoping to confirm it's PCM related before going that route. I still feel like it almost had to be, but the fact that'll it'll keep running if you supply fuel in the throttle body is throwing me for a loop. It makes no sense to me.

You seem pretty certain it's not the SKIM. I didn't see mention of checking the crankshaft position sensor. After start up If the PCM doesn't receive a signal from the CPS in 3 seconds it shuts down the fuel injection system. You are spraying fuel into the throttle body though which would be bypassing the PCM shut down injection system and allowing the engine to continue to run as long as you spray fuel into it. Check the crankshaft position sensor and circuit. Make sure it's a Mopar brand sensor as well, if not replace it with one.
 
You seem pretty certain it's not the SKIM. I didn't see mention of checking the crankshaft position sensor. After start up If the PCM doesn't receive a signal from the CPS in 3 seconds it shuts down the fuel injection system. You are spraying fuel into the throttle body though which would be bypassing the PCM shut down injection system and allowing the engine to continue to run as long as you spray fuel into it. Check the crankshaft position sensor and circuit. Make sure it's a Mopar brand sensor as well, if not replace it with one.

Hello

I have too a starting issue with a TJ97 4.0 (a recent post) and I am wondering if you have tried to use a ODBII reader to read diag codes.
 
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