Trail Navigator

I've used both Trails Off-road and Onx. I think Trails Off-road is the better choice for off roading, the trail info is more accurate and the trail navigation has more details usually. I plan to go back to a trails off road subscription when my Onx sub runs out
 
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We're hoping our app can collect gps tracks and we can update and conform FS GPS data in our area. We're in contact with the national mapping center. Perhaps we can succeed locally and grow nationally.

Realistically the MVUMs should be an app. Data is crowd sourced and processed and incorporated.

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I picked up a Garmin Montana 710i for the InReach function when solo backpacking. I didn't realize quite how chunky it would be when I ordered it, but you could mount it to the jeep dash. If you've been missing Windows 3.1, but wish it was touchscreen, this is the ticket. The accuracy of the position of major trails using Garmin's 24k maps? Even worse than the ui. Want to plan a route on the fly? Good luck.

I've had alot of Garmin various hiking and biking devices going back to the early 90s. With satellite tx capability increasingly being built in to phones, I cannot see Garmin existing as much more than a patent holding company in 10 years with the current trajectory of their software and the competition they face.

In other words, I wouldn't recommend Garmin
 
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Both apps I use allow you to download an area ahead of time. The GPS chip in your phone doesn't require a signal to work...so, as long as the area is downloaded a phone or tablet work fine.

Agree with the app based route. I use TrailsOffroad with the yearly subscription. I have all off Colorado on my phone with no extra hardware to buy. You can send routes to Gaia or w/e other map app you prefer (if any) plus constant updates from the community that is actually running the same routes you are interested in. Not bad for 39$
 
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I've been using Gaia and Rever (as in gassing it) paid subscriptions to plan and execute trips up to a couple hundred miles long for a few years now. Trial subscriptions work well and both have very adequate free versions. I've lead driving events of similar lengths for our Miata Club. Both can record your actual drive, though neither allow easy edits to those tracks. Refining a route over time means replanning your track as a route, which can then be modified.

Rever has a friendly user interface and a wide selection of maps. It doesn't use Android Auto, but can use Car Play. It has a "twisty roads" option for planning that works very well. Rever is targeted to the motorcycle community but works well for autos. It has an excellent follow-route continuation ability after a phone reboot. Gaia leaves it to you to figure out.

Gaia displays very nicely and used to have base maps that showed topography nicely, but then they improved it and it's hard to see any topo lines now. Gaia is targeted at the hiking community and works okay for autos. They were bought by Outdoor a year ago and I believe that company treats Gaia as merely a checklist feature in their suite.

A major advantage for Gaia (and possibly Rever? I'm not sure) is that it shows the names of villages, towns and cities as you drive. Google Maps is poor at this, showing no information for what is around you.

If you have time to plan your route I recommend that you use a laptop/PC for it. You can export the route from Rever as a .gpx file for import into Gaia and display it on Android Auto. Gaia also expires routes but I don't think Rever has an import. Do not expect easy planning or full features from their mobile apps.

I have not used either for off-road planning. Rever has an AI option for off-road planning. Gaia has a map that shows unpaved roads but this relies on data they do not control and at best is a good guess. Some roads have since been paved while others were never identified as unpaved.

Both apps use external sources for their map data. It's pointless to tell them that their routing is wrong (a rare and minor problem) because they have no control over the geo data. This resulted in a routing through a restaurant's outdoor seating area that Rever insisted was a road. Gaia once routed me along roads that don't exist - one was a farmer's driveway and another was a fenced farmer's field. These latter two were pretty major issues and I reverted to interstates to solve them. But in 11,000 miles of cross country driving this was the only major problem.

Both companies have an extremely small coding staff. Rever has one person I think and I think Gaia may have two. Rever is easier to deal with while Gaia is friendlier but more skeptical of user reports. Both coding organizations lack adequate software development processes. Expect bugs in new feature releases.

I've spent a lot of time with customer service for both. Gaia is extremely poor in that area. Their saved routes were spontaneously being corrupted. I reported the problem and it took nearly half a year to confirm that it's a bug. I got so frustrated I told them I'm quitting and they gave me an extra year paid subscription. I no longer use it to plan but things may have improved.

I went on a 72 day solo drive around the country this year and planned routes on these two apps only on the first days. It was just too cumbersome to continue doing that daily. The routes were very nice roads and driving progress was extremely slow primarily due to lower speed limits and a LOT of curves.

For the remainder of the trip I used Google Maps with the "avoid highways" option turned on. This often gave me very pleasant and uncrowded routes but it's not perfect. Once it put me on Alt-90 which was a well paved fast road running parallel to I-90. Same view as the interstate and same speeds. But that was an exception. Mostly it found very enjoyable roads. I had Gaia in the background to figure out what city I've entered.

Finally, I've found both apps can heat up (and occasionally overheat) my phone. I recommend removing phone cases, exiting all other apps, and if driving away from cell coverage, using airplane mode to keep the phone from using high power transmissions to find a phone tower. In our Honda, I pointed the air vents at the phone in a cup holder and that was excellent while using AC.

The best way to improve your success is to have a passenger that understands the app and how to navigate and can provide clear communication during critical phases of driving (for example, entering an intersection with more than three exits). The more you practice together the more smoothly things will go on a longer trip. My wife is invaluable at our navigation and we have a fairly clear and concise method for communicating directions, e.g., "In 0.2 miles turn right [at xxx]". Sounds dorky but it eliminates having to extract crucial information when each instruction is phrased completely differently from the last. Air Traffic Control and pilot communication works like this. Not everyone is good at this however so be patient.

Good luck on your trip!
 
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Before ordering a budget Android tablet, check the manufacturer specs for max screen brightness, since many aren't high enough NITS for viewing in daylight conditions. Also, ensure you're using a 12VDC charging source with an output that can keep up with combo of nav app and screen brightness demands. I've been using a Samsung 10.1" Galaxy Active Pro on a RAM device-specific powered dock in both my Can-Am SxS and Jeep TJ for 4 years with great results. More expensive than most but budget tablets used before that didn't work well for me in bright ambient conditions and often depleted internal charge long before the run was completed.
 
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We spent so long without any service doing sections of the OOAT that I bought a physical gazeteer when I got back to civilization.
 
Here in Ontario we pay $25/year (with discount if you an off-road club member, $50 otherwise) for OF4WD membership, which is the advocacy group for all ATVs, OHVs, Sleds, etc. With it it gets you up to date gpx downloadable files of all our trails to use in whatever app you wish. Most of us use GAIA. That has been my go-to and it works well.

I signed up to be a "trail builder" for Onx, and got free premium service for a couple years and added two tracks to otherwise non-existent mapped tracks on Onx. Some others added two more. That is all that is available to date last I looked. So Onx doesn't really work here, you are better off with GAIA and getting an OF4WD membership, which I think is appropriate.
 
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Wow vacation for a few days and shat a mountain of information. So I've decided to try Gaia and Onx first on trial from what I am gleaning from this thread. I also picked up some interesting ideas for temporarily mounting a tablet above the glove box @macleanflood . Not sure of the aesthetics but very useful. Did you remove the air bag or what? I'll tag up in this thread if I need help with any of the trail apps thank you all for some incredible feedback.
 
I've used ONX, usually buy/renew on black Friday when it is $40-$50 for the year for their highest tier. I like that it works with Android Auto.

I've used it at Uwharrie, and found myself still double-checking the paper map I picked up at the outpost because I think the names are off on some of the trails.

I've also used it to map trails on private property and all over Fort Bragg (including outlining all the impact areas and other "no-go" places), which is very helpful.

It is a little temperamental. It freezes-up once in a while and you cannot have it on your phone screen and displayed on Android Auto at the same time or it stops updating your position. It's not the best at plotting a route on its own either. It tried to take me on motorcycle-sized trails when I had it auto-plot at Uwharrie.
 
I intend to remove the stereo that we don't use and mount an 8 inch tablet in it's place . I like to download the maps therefore when we loose cell signal the GPS is still working on the map . I'm going to install a Bluetooth amplifier to replace the stereo . We play everything from our phone and never listen to radio stations anymore . I found one with a nice remote mounted controller that I will be installing .