Tennessee Red

When it is 75 deg on Christmas Eve you leave work early and go ride. It was a low of 18 deg a week ago and today I am riding around with no doors.
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Merry Christmas!
 
Merry Christmas to you and Tonya, Vic.

Love the new stance on the rig.

By the way, I am reconsidering how worried I am about my singing pinion, and Nina is doing better every day, so.... :unsure:
 
Merry Christmas to your family. Alot of complaints about the warm weather but it can't be all bad when doorless jeeping is the result
 
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It starts about 100 feet before there and it has gotten much worse. It is funny because it is not steep or off camber, just big dug out holes full of slick clay between the rocks. Last time I took the bypass and didn't even try. No one else in the group made it and I think Crow broke his transfer case mount trying.
 
My exhaust was cut off right behind the transfer skid a few years back and just had a turn down on it. It worked great, but since I moved the tank to the bed and did the stretch it gave me some room to add a tailpipe and get the exhaust completely out from under the jeep. I took the jeep to a local exhaust shop last week and had a rough number in my head of $350 which I was willing to pay for a custom tail pipe. When the guy told me $800, I just politely said thanks but no thanks and went to O'Reilly's and bought about $70 worth of 45 deg elbows and a pre bent U section. Today after Christmas morning festivities, Tonya took a nap and the boys went off to do their thing so I had a few hours to tinker in the garage.
Only wire I had for my mig was 0.035 which made it a little hard on the 16 gauge mild steel pipe, but I was successful.
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I know just being mild steel with no coating that the pipe will rust pretty quickly, but I should get a few years out of it. When I have to replace it in the future I will then know that everything works and that don't have any interference issues, etc... so I will be willing to get better material pipe and will borrow a bender. But right now it is hard to justify paying more than $70 for a part that will probably get pinched and beat up by rocks and that I may end up taking a cut off wheel to on the side of a trail.
 
My exhaust was cut off right behind the transfer skid a few years back and just had a turn down on it. It worked great, but since I moved the tank to the bed and did the stretch it gave me some room to add a tailpipe and get the exhaust completely out from under the jeep. I took the jeep to a local exhaust shop last week and had a rough number in my head of $350 which I was willing to pay for a custom tail pipe. When the guy told me $800, I just politely said thanks but no thanks and went to O'Reilly's and bought about $70 worth of 45 deg elbows and a pre bent U section. Today after Christmas morning festivities, Tonya took a nap and the boys went off to do their thing so I had a few hours to tinker in the garage.
Only wire I had for my mig was 0.035 which made it a little hard on the 16 gauge mild steel pipe, but I was successful.
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I know just being mild steel with no coating that the pipe will rust pretty quickly, but I should get a few years out of it. When I have to replace it in the future I will then know that everything works and that don't have any interference issues, etc... so I will be willing to get better material pipe and will borrow a bender. But right now it is hard to justify paying more than $70 for a part that will probably get pinched and beat up by rocks and that I may end up taking a cut off wheel to on the side of a trail.

Love it Victor. Exhaust seems like it scares a lot of competent folks. Its not that hard! And I’d bet 10s of $ that you would do a better job on a custom jeep tailpipe than 95% of the shops.
 
My exhaust was cut off right behind the transfer skid a few years back and just had a turn down on it. It worked great, but since I moved the tank to the bed and did the stretch it gave me some room to add a tailpipe and get the exhaust completely out from under the jeep. I took the jeep to a local exhaust shop last week and had a rough number in my head of $350 which I was willing to pay for a custom tail pipe. When the guy told me $800, I just politely said thanks but no thanks and went to O'Reilly's and bought about $70 worth of 45 deg elbows and a pre bent U section. Today after Christmas morning festivities, Tonya took a nap and the boys went off to do their thing so I had a few hours to tinker in the garage.
Only wire I had for my mig was 0.035 which made it a little hard on the 16 gauge mild steel pipe, but I was successful.
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I know just being mild steel with no coating that the pipe will rust pretty quickly, but I should get a few years out of it. When I have to replace it in the future I will then know that everything works and that don't have any interference issues, etc... so I will be willing to get better material pipe and will borrow a bender. But right now it is hard to justify paying more than $70 for a part that will probably get pinched and beat up by rocks and that I may end up taking a cut off wheel to on the side of a trail.

It's a Christmas Miracle !!!

🙂
 
The exhaust tailpipe looks great.

When I was researching some options for exhaust, I kept seeing people say - have your local shop make it, it'll be cheaper. I had strong doubts about that. I paid ~$500 for the Flowmaster Force II, mostly for the smooth mandrel bent 409 stainless tailpipe.

I had a good local exhaust shop weld in a bung for a wideband O2 and weld that 2.5" stainless tailpipe to a 2.25" stainless stock style muffler and work out some fitment issues. That was like $350. Labor adds up fast. This stuff isn't rocket science, but I don't have the stuff to weld stainless at home.
 
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The exhaust tailpipe looks great.

When I was researching some options for exhaust, I kept seeing people say - have your local shop make it, it'll be cheaper. I had strong doubts about that. I paid ~$500 for the Flowmaster Force II, mostly for the smooth mandrel bent 409 stainless tailpipe.

I had a good local exhaust shop weld in a bung for a wideband O2 and weld that 2.5" stainless tailpipe to a 2.25" stainless stock style muffler and work out some fitment issues. That was like $350. Labor adds up fast. This stuff isn't rocket science, but I don't have the stuff to weld stainless at home.

Thanks.
Yep, labor adds up fast. I never questioned the guys price or asked him why, etc... I just wasn't willing to pay it. I would have left the exhaust just dump behind the skid forever if I didn't make it myself.

You lost me on the addition of a O2 sensor with the Flowmaster Cat back system. On a 04 the downstream sensors are after the precats, not the cat? Why did you add the o2?
 
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You lost me on the addition of a O2 sensor with the Flowmaster Cat back system. On a 04 the downstream sensors are after the precats, not the cat? Why did you add the o2?
It's a wideband O2, not the normal narrowband. It's so I can fine tune the fuel in HP Tuners. I also have the 4 stocks ones. This 5th wideband O2 sits between the precats and the cat.

Regarding the change in the catback, it was unrelated. I was just getting both items done at the same time.
 
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With the warm weather here the last few days I have been driving the Jeep everywhere, including running errands and then grabbing a beer with the wife yesterday. With the exhaust routed out the back it actually seems to be louder :ROFLMAO:

With no top I guess the exhaust coming out the back is not blocked by the floor (like it was when it dumped down behind the transfer skid) and the sound from the driver's seat is actually louder. I like it!! There is no occasional exhaust smell anymore which is nice, so it is a win-win.

Today it is a high of 76 deg, tomorrow is going to be a high of 38 deg. I am expecting some wind between now and tomorrow.
 
Took the jeep down to Hawk Pride for New Year's run to shake it down. Two major changes to shake down, rear stretch and the steering.
Rear Stretch:
Everything seemed to work as expected. I added a little more bump stop to be conservative and I may remove the springs and cycle it again and try to dial that bump stop in to get my little bit back. Other than that, success.
Two things on the shakedown related to the rear stretch:
1. It was relatively dry conditions, and we had a little bit of traction.
2. We never got into anything real steep.
So, I really couldn't tell that much of difference with the stretch, the jeep worked well, I was happy, but I think it would have worked good no matter what. One thing I did notice was that there was a few drop offs where I would have hit my rear bumper before and I did not hit with the stretch, so very happy with that.

Steering:
Definitely have some issues to work out . I drove the jeep for a few weeks around town with the new steering box and pump and it was silent, never heard a peep out of the pump. As soon as we started down the first trail the pump started whining and it whined all day. Mostly when on throttle, it would not whine when at idle, even when turning the wheel to full stop, it would only whine when I was giving it a little throttle (didn't have to be turning the wheel) and only when rolling, it would not whine if I would be at a stand still and turning the wheel, at idle or with throttle? Even in 2wd with no resistance from front locker it would whine.
Another major issue is that I mounted the reservoir on the fender and I mounted it close as I could to the pump. I had it so close that the 45 deg fitting coming off the pump and the 90 deg fitting coming off the reservoir were only about 2" from each other, so I gapped it with a hose. BUT, I failed to account for engine torque, so when I had the jeep in a bind it actually pulled the hose loose. The engine torque was also enough to loosen the AN fittings with the way I had the fittings positioned. This was a lesson learned. We actually ran back to the parking lot and I repositioned the reservoir so that it was more inline and higher than pump and to account for the engine torque, but even with the reservoir higher, I still had the whine. Another note is that the fluid was clear, when I would shut down the jeep and check the fluid it was clear, not cloudy or milky, which would indicate no air?
So, my to do is to reposition the reservoir and ensure I account for engine torque, or mount the reservoir to the engine so that it rotates with the engine. Go through and check every connection to make sure everything is tight. Bleed and bleed and bleed the system again after doing the reposition. Hope there is no whine. The steering box and the rest of the steering worked great, no issues with that part.

It was a great day on the trails! Thanks to Jeff and a few of my other wheeling buddies for coming out and joining me with the shakedown. It was a sunny day and in the 60's in the afternoon which was a real bonus. We had somewhat dry trails and as much traction as you will find in Alabama clay. We had little ones riding around in car seats and having a grand time. It was a great new years!
As normal, I didn't take any photos, my wife may have some, not sure.
Trails run:
Jester. (At top of jester I checked PS fluid levels (due to whine) and the level was good, no leaks detected.)
Timber Rattler
Back to parking lot to meet up with Jeff.
(Had a leak on the PS reservoir to pump line due to AN fittings coming loose. tightened them and topped off fluid level.)
Up Hills Both Ways (we did the "around the rock" obstacle backwards which was my first time doing it that direction and it was fun.
Rambo (on Rambo is where I got the jeep in a bind and the engine torque pulled the hose on the reservoir to pump line loose.
Back to parking lot, repositioned reservoir.
Cherokee all the way to the top
Down Ol 22
Brokefoot, did both exits
Back Door
K5 lower and upper
Waterfall
Ol 21
Western Diamondback
Too Easy
Fatty's crack
 
Well I did a google search on PSC pump whine and low and behold most of the info I found was on this forum. I guess I should have searched it before hand because Blaine specifically mentions to not do what I did (which is mount the reservoir on the fender directly in line with the pump which will result in the engine torque pulling on the hose). He provided some good guidance on mounting it on the fender with the hose on an angle so it can flex in several other posts, but I decided to attach it to the motor so that the reservoir will always move with the pump when the engine torques (I had already made the bracket when I decided to do a search). Installed the reservoir and then bled the system (using Blaine's suggested method of using an air ratchet, etc....) and drove it about 50 miles today with not a peep out of the pump. I even ran it around the neighborhood with 6psi in the tires and in 4wd to put a strain on the steering and no whine. True test will be next weekend, I will be in east TN doing some wheeling and we will see how it goes.

Driving it around the neighborhood in 4wd with the grizzly locker up front got me thinking that out west in the high traction areas (like Sand Hollow) that it is going to suck having auto lockers in the front and rear.
 
Freeze Fest 2026 - The last six years we have gone wheeling in middle or east TN on MLK weekend and the last six years it has been cold and we have gotten snow. It is awesome!
This year we went to the North Cumberland WMA (wildlife management area) OHV trails on the north side of Windrock and we also did some trails in windrock. Test 2 of the rear stretch and the new PSC steering box and pump.
Rear stretch passed the test, still not happy with the PSC pump, I had no issues with the hoses or reservoir this time, it was just a pump whine and it wasn't consistent, it would do it whenever and not always hot, sometimes when it was cold, sometimes turning left, sometimes turning right, blah, blah, blah....

Anyway, Freeze Fest recap.
I drove over on Thursday afternoon and hit snow on the I-40 climb on the east side of Cookeville, it just started snowing and it was coming down pretty good and sticking right away which is not normal for TN.
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But the closer I got to East TN the snow slowed and eventually stopped. I was the first to arrive and I got the jeep unloaded and the van leveled.

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I knew the other Thurs arrivals would not be there until late, so now it was time to go explore some of the OHV trails solo.

Within 1/4 mile from camp there was a trail that started so I headed that way, it was already dark when I started. I rode around on trails for about 2.5 hours before heading back, had to self recover once due to a mud hole, but other than that I had no issues. I did find an old bricked up cave or mine shaft that the cave deteriorated around the brick wall.
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I was going to go in and explore a little, but the ground surrounding the cave was solid sheet of ice and I couldn't get up there to stick my head in to see what was behind the wall.

Friday morning we headed out to hit the Sand Mine Trails near Caryville TN. It was me in my TJ and 3 Suzuki Samurai, 1 Sami on 40s (stickies), 1 stretched sami on 37s, and 1 Sami on 35s. All of them had toyota axles. We picked up trails right away and did about 15 miles of trail and gravel road before getting to the Sand Mine area. Once we started into the Sand Mine we made a right to do Pea gravel hill. It was wet, muddy, and slick. The sami on 40s was able to make it to the top without winching, I had to winch one big step, the other two sami's struggled but with some winching they got to the top. The sami on 35's actually did a little flop onto it's side right as it crossed the last rock and landed on the flat area above the obstacle, we were all like "how did you flop after the obstacle!". Anyway we got him flipped back onto it's wheels and then used the forum favorite hilift jack to get him back to wheeling. After that we hit the widow maker and then went up to the actual old sand mine, it was pretty cool to see all the sand on the top of the mountain.
The view from the top:
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We wanted to head over to the Dragon's back obstacle however the trail was closed due to last year's forest fires. We drove to the first set of trail closed signs and questioned it because the polaris map showed it open so I hiked down the trail and at the next set of signs they actually felled some trees blocking the trail, so I guess the map was wrong and it was closed. So we turned around and headed back down widow maker. The off camber towards the drop off side of the trail is a little bit of a mind freak, but overall the widow maker was not that bad going up or down.

From there we decided to head to the Caryville Flats in windrock so I used ONX to map out a route of all OHV trails to get there, it was dark when we got to the flats and the wind was howling, so we didn't stick around to get any pictures. From Caryville Flats we took some windrock trails out to some pavement to start heading back towards camp, on the way I noticed there was some OHV trails that cut our route in half, I knew it would be slower than taking the road but we were here to wheel, not drive pavement so i elected to take the "short cut".
4 hours later after burning up one winch, and running two vehicles out of fuel we made it back to camp, it was a 14 hour day of trails, great day!
I did learn that with my fuel tank in the bed that I have easy access to my fuel line and I also knew where the fuel pump relay was located so that I could jump the pins and run the fuel pump to transfer fuel into a container. So that worked out great, but where I failed was that i forget to relieve the fuel pressure in the system before releasing the fuel line so I had fuel all over me and the cab of the jeep, lesson learned. Also, the winch issue was that after a long hard pull dragging both the front and rear diff through the mud when he released the switch the solenoid stuck and the motor kept pulling but it couldn't pull anymore. I was standing about five feet away and actually kind of froze and didn't know what to do but my buddy Drew ran over and popped the hood and got the battery cable removed in a pretty timely manner, but by time he did the winch motor was smoking!!

Here is a video which contains some footage of the Sami's wheeling the Sand Mine Trails,
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Friday evening more friends arrived so when we got back to camp at midnight the party started. I am the odd man out with this group in the fact that I am about 18 years older than them, they all went to college together and this is a good weekend reunion for them, that is where the van comes in and I am able to escape to the van and sleep in silence while they party in the cabin.

Saturday morning the plan was to do the whole Windrock Trail 57 from the cabin, none of us have never done trail 57 before and it is the longest trail at the park at 18 miles. The trail just recently (within the last few years) opened up to full size rigs, prior to that it was limited to ATV and SxS only.
It was a mixed group, we had;
My TJ on 38s
A TJ on 37s
Sami on 37s
Sami on 35s
Sami on 40s
Toyota Buggy on 39s
RZR on 37 stickies
Polaris Expedition on 35 stickies
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We took about 11 miles of pavement and gravel to get to where we started Trail 57.
We didn't know it but we started 57 at the hardest section, where it climbs, it was steep and muddy with slick rocks, etc... it took us a few hours to get just a few miles. During those first few miles, we had one flop, one brake line fail, one drive shaft ujoint break, and a rear locker quit working. We were able to fix everything except for the one rear locker, but he still had front locker and a working winch so we were good to go.
The flop was the same sami as the day before, so now he flopped on the right and the left side.
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Once we got to the top, it was mostly flat, tight, and twisty between trees with big frozen mud holes. But it did start snowing, which was a nice touch.
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During that next 11-12 miles of trail, I think we went through all four seasons, it just depended on where the mountain was shadowing the sun, it was warm and sunny, around a turn it was snowing, around a turn there was a green field, another turn and there was 3" of snow already on the ground, but ultimately it just turned to all snow which was nice. We had to take some other blue and green trails within windrock to get back to the start of 57 to complete the loop but it was really not that great of trail for me, I like wheeling rocks, not trail riding through mud holes, so after that first 2 miles I was pretty bored. It was a one and done trail for me. Still a great day and I had a blast.

Back at camp, I again escaped out to my van to get some sleep while the younger generation stayed up way past my bedtime watching youtube videos and doing shots of fireball (which I heard stories about the next morning).

Sunday morning most of the group packed up and headed home. Me and my buddy Drew packed up and headed to the other side of Windrock to do some more wheeling. We trailered over to the General Store and unloaded there, it took us an hour drive to get there, but it was going to save us 30 minutes on the drive home, so it was only a 30 min additional drive overall and WAY, WAY, WAY worth it.
Sunday was fun day because I was able to play in some rocks.
We headed to the end of trail 39 which is called Cadillac hill. We went down Cadillac Hill and then turned around and went up Cadillac hill, it was super fun.
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The above youtube also contains some of the sami coming up Cadillac hill and the subsequent repair.
At the top of the hill we again had to use the loved Hi Lift Jack and my welder to make some repairs to the sami, it was taking a beating but kept on given!

From there we headed over to Trail 3 and took the easy line down to Trail 40a and then down to Trail 40 which is rail trail. Rail Trail is one of my favorites but there is one section that I have never been able to make and still have not seen anyone make it in person, it is nothing special, it just has spines of rocks sticking up that catch diff, link, rocker, etc.... and for me it is just best to get lined up and winch up it. Which I did with no issue. However, the sami with the leaf springs hanging down the front along with the diff, etc... we could not get him lined up to get a good pull so we again had to use the hi lift, this time as a ramp to get his tire up and over.
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Rest of rail trail is just picking lines through rock and it was a blast, on this day between the rocks was also filled with ice in lieu of water which made it interesting but there was no mud, the mud was all freeze dried and you could actually get traction on the mud if it wasn't a sheet of ice, made for a great day! Being the last day and we still had to drive 6 hours home we elected to head back to the trucks, but I first wanted to play on Trail 3 just to get in a few more rocks before heading home, so we did the lower section (LH line going up) and once we got to the big wall we turned right and took the bypass lines to get to the top, it was the cherry on the top, perfect day, Sunday was a fun day.

I worked on a lot of vehicles and helped fix a lot of stuff over the weekend, but my Jeep worked good and as far as I know I had no issues. The PS pump is still whining but they are going to send me a new one, they are on back order so it will be a month or so. Rear stretch seemed to work, I don't think it really helped me make an obstacle, but I never really scared myself and I think that was due to the stretch.
If I get anymore pictures from anyone, I will edit and add them in the future.

This week I ask you all to pray for snow in Park City. I am heading there next weekend for a week and I need more snow. So pray, dance, drink a beer, do whatever you do to make it snow!!