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Im just wondering if anybody has any experience with Steinjager products? I purchased a rear sway bar from them about a year and a half ago and was pleased with the product. This weekend however I discovered it was not as strong as it initially appears...
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I have sent them an email to see if they are willing to stand behind their product and replace it. And will update this post when I hear back.

Mainly just wondering if any of you have had any experience with this company and their products?
 
Never heard of these guys before ever. A hollow sway bar? Sounds like something Hotchkis sells!
 
Hate to say, but I wouldn't want that replaced with the same one, even at no cost. You'd be better off with the oem rear anti-sway bar.
 
So I heard back from them, and they are gonna send a replacement. It's good to see company's stand behind their product, even if they are poorly designed.

I'm with glwood though and don't really wanna put it on and end up in the same boat again. Other then oem, or the rear antirock (which I don't think I could justify at this point), anyone have suggestions for a replacement rear sway?
 
Steinjager Adam here and it's interesting to see how jeepers respond. Although this is a very old post...it does pop up first when you search Steinjager TJ Rear Sway Bar Forum Review. This product that manufactured in Illinois has been a best seller for years and if you investigate... "is DOM tubing stronger than bar" you will find the answer is yes. Steinjager always recommends to disconnect end links while off roading to avoid cracking or breaking the rear sway bar. Steinjager offers 2", 4", 6" TJ Rear Sway Bar Kits with 2 options of End Link Styles.
 
Steinjager Adam here and it's interesting to see how jeepers respond. Although this is a very old post...it does pop up first when you search Steinjager TJ Rear Sway Bar Forum Review. This product that manufactured in Illinois has been a best seller for years and if you investigate... "is DOM tubing stronger than bar" you will find the answer is yes. Steinjager always recommends to disconnect end links while off roading to avoid cracking or breaking the rear sway bar. Steinjager offers 2", 4", 6" TJ Rear Sway Bar Kits with 2 options of End Link Styles.
If you are going to be in the business of designing and selling stuff that is dependent on knowledge of material properties and the use thereof, you should be able to back up your claims with something other than internet mythology.

Without defining any parameters, your claim of DOM tube being stronger than solid bar is highly flawed.

An example for you. Is 1" x .062 DOM tubing stronger than 1" solid bar of the same material? The answer is absolutely no, it is not. The internet is pulling forth the general rule of thumb that for the same weight of material, tube is generally stronger that solid bar but there again, within limited parameters.

If you decrease the wall thickness far enough, at some point it will not even be strong enough to support its own weight.
Basic example and comparison below. 1" x .120 wall tube compared to 1" round bar.

If you compare the two with an open mind and some critical thinking skills, it becomes evident as to how folks confuse basic material properties and then pervert that into a blatant falsehood. In the same materials of the same diameter, solid is always stronger. Unfortunately, that comes at a severe weight penalty. There is a 50% increase in load capacity but at a cost of nearly double the weight. 1.1 pounds per foot for the tube, 2.6 pounds per foot for the solid round.
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Ya'll aren't making springs out of tube because it is better, you are doing it because it is cheaper. There is a reason they don't make coil springs out of tube and your failures would have been far less if you understood why.
 
If you are going to be in the business of designing and selling stuff that is dependent on knowledge of material properties and the use thereof, you should be able to back up your claims with something other than internet mythology.

Without defining any parameters, your claim of DOM tube being stronger than solid bar is highly flawed.

An example for you. Is 1" x .062 DOM tubing stronger than 1" solid bar of the same material? The answer is absolutely no, it is not. The internet is pulling forth the general rule of thumb that for the same weight of material, tube is generally stronger that solid bar but there again, within limited parameters.

If you decrease the wall thickness far enough, at some point it will not even be strong enough to support its own weight.
Basic example and comparison below. 1" x .120 wall tube compared to 1" round bar.

If you compare the two with an open mind and some critical thinking skills, it becomes evident as to how folks confuse basic material properties and then pervert that into a blatant falsehood. In the same materials of the same diameter, solid is always stronger. Unfortunately, that comes at a severe weight penalty. There is a 50% increase in load capacity but at a cost of nearly double the weight. 1.1 pounds per foot for the tube, 2.6 pounds per foot for the solid round.
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Ya'll aren't making springs out of tube because it is better, you are doing it because it is cheaper. There is a reason they don't make coil springs out of tube and your failures would have been far less if you understood why.

A DOM (Drawn Over Mandrel) tubing rear sway bar is generally stronger and more durable than a standard, potentially cheaper "bar" sway bar, often made from less robust materials like HREW tubing, due to its higher-grade steel and manufacturing process. While both can be effective, DOM offers superior strength-to-weight and fatigue resistance, especially for heavy-duty or performance applications
 
A DOM (Drawn Over Mandrel) tubing rear sway bar is generally stronger and more durable than a standard, potentially cheaper "bar" sway bar, often made from less robust materials like HREW tubing, due to its higher-grade steel and manufacturing process. While both can be effective, DOM offers superior strength-to-weight and fatigue resistance, especially for heavy-duty or performance applications
And again, you're doing the same thing. Generally is the word you used but compared against a crap material like HREW tube. Who the fuck would make a tubular torsion bar from HREW?

Tubular bars are used when weight matters. It does not matter in this application and your failures show exactly why they need to be perfectly made which drives the cost up for no actual benefit to the end user. We aren't racing, we aren't going to be, a basic quality solid bar will be more than fine.

I also noticed you completely failed to address your flawed assertion that tube is stronger than solid.
 
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All the talk about DOM tube is a moot point if its not DOM. I don't know about you guys, but I've never handled a piece of DOM with a weld seam.
That is a bit of a head scratcher. I wasn't aware they made heat treatable alloys in HREW. Doesn't mean it isn't out there, I've just never heard of it.
 
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