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What's funny to me is some folks say to run ethanol free gas then add some HEET or other gas dry additive that's made of - you guessed it - alcohol.

The main difference would be if you added ethanol to regular gas it would be to address a water contamination issue , With 10-15% E gas it is absorbing moisture the minute it's made , from the air , tanker , gas station underground tanks . This all happens , even before you buy it.
 
What's funny to me is some folks say to run ethanol free gas then add some HEET or other gas dry additive that's made of - you guessed it - alcohol.
You're comparing apples to oranges. HEET's main ingredient is methanol, a different type of alcohol than ethanol. Methanol is far less prone to phase separation, which is what you see in speeding_infraction's photo. Both alcohols absorb water, but at the molecular level (the alcohol molecules bond to the water molecules, but they stay in solution with the gasoline). However, ethanol will experience phase separation more easily. Phase separation is where the water/alcohol mix comes out of solution and separates from the gasoline. It's heavier, so it sits as a bottom layer with the gas on top, and since most gas tanks feed from the bottom, nothing good happens when diluted alcohol gets drawn into the carb/injectors.

I grew up in a part of the country that is very cold, and HEET is used (successfully) to prevent condensation in the fuel system from freezing and blocking fuel flow. It uses methanol's ability to absorb water to "lock it away" so that it can be burned up in the combustion process. And the methanol doesn't phase separate as easily as ethanol. So, using ethanol-free gas and adding methanol is not as goofy as it sounds...
 
Yes...she looks to be paralyzed with fear in "the death machine", so much so she's apparently fainted from it (probably like those little goats do). Surprised she hasn't suffered long term effects... :LOL:

Today I was thinking about your fainting comment, and it could have actually been the carbon monoxide sleepees 😄
 
You're comparing apples to oranges. HEET's main ingredient is methanol, a different type of alcohol than ethanol. Methanol is far less prone to phase separation, which is what you see in speeding_infraction's photo. Both alcohols absorb water, but at the molecular level (the alcohol molecules bond to the water molecules, but they stay in solution with the gasoline). However, ethanol will experience phase separation more easily. Phase separation is where the water/alcohol mix comes out of solution and separates from the gasoline. It's heavier, so it sits as a bottom layer with the gas on top, and since most gas tanks feed from the bottom, nothing good happens when diluted alcohol gets drawn into the carb/injectors.

I grew up in a part of the country that is very cold, and HEET is used (successfully) to prevent condensation in the fuel system from freezing and blocking fuel flow. It uses methanol's ability to absorb water to "lock it away" so that it can be burned up in the combustion process. And the methanol doesn't phase separate as easily as ethanol. So, using ethanol-free gas and adding methanol is not as goofy as it sounds...
Another point on that subject is, there are 2 different kinds of "heet" the RED bottle and the Yellow bottle.

Red is primarily isopropyl alcohol and Yellow is (as you said) primarily methanol. Both perform a similar job with relation to water but the red is more versatile and offers more benefits.

Heet, recommends using the yellow "only" in 4 stroke engines. Red (is-heet) can be used in diesel, 2 strokes, 4 strokes, and also contains cleaning agents for fuel injectors.
 
What's funny to me is some folks say to run ethanol free gas then add some HEET or other gas dry additive that's made of - you guessed it - alcohol.

I just run all the gas out of mine when it’s going to sit for more than a couple of weeks. The engines I’ve had that have had gas problems with, had gummed up carbs. Clean the gum out and from then on run the carbs dry. Works good for me.
 
Another point on that subject is, there are 2 different kinds of "heet" the RED bottle and the Yellow bottle.

Red is primarily isopropyl alcohol and Yellow is (as you said) primarily methanol. Both perform a similar job with relation to water but the red is more versatile and offers more benefits.

Heet, recommends using the yellow "only" in 4 stroke engines. Red (is-heet) can be used in diesel, 2 strokes, 4 strokes, and also contains cleaning agents for fuel injectors.

Good point. We only ever used the yellow bottle. This was back in the 80s, and I don't recall if the red bottle was on the market back then...
 
Good point. We only ever used the yellow bottle. This was back in the 80s, and I don't recall if the red bottle was on the market back then...
We used to just buy the yellow too, then someone mentioned it's not good for 2 strokes or diesels so that lead me down the what product is best rabbit hole. Looking for something more universal rather than buying product x for the diesels, product y for 2 strokes, and z for everything else. It may not be the the absolute best for any 1 fuel but it covers everything and it's relatively inexpensive compared to products from Power Service and Lucas.
 
The main difference would be if you added ethanol to regular gas it would be to address a water contamination issue , With 10-15% E gas it is absorbing moisture the minute it's made , from the air , tanker , gas station underground tanks . This all happens , even before you buy it.

Ah, that explains it. I live in an area with extremely low humidity so that’s not as much of an issue as other parts of the country. In over 25 years I’ve never had problems with the lawn equipment or my classic car using E-10. The car will sit in the garage all summer, waiting for the temperature to drop below surface of the sun levels, and it will fire right up in the fall.
 
Refiners are allowed to have a percent of water in the fuel that the ethanol keeps suspended. So the fuel has a head start on drawing water.

I’m not an evangelist when it comes to ethanol. It does help the corn market. But my experience has been “no shits given” to the fuel except I’ll put Sea-Foam in for storage.

Had to clean the carb on the Honda 50 after it sat for 8-10 years.
 
Refiners are allowed to have a percent of water in the fuel that the ethanol keeps suspended. So the fuel has a head start on drawing water.

I’m not an evangelist when it comes to ethanol. It does help the corn market. But my experience has been “no shits given” to the fuel except I’ll put Sea-Foam in for storage.

Had to clean the carb on the Honda 50 after it sat for 8-10 years.

Back in the 80s, I had a Chevy C10 that ran like crap except on what was then called "gasohol".
 
C'mon guys, it's not that bad lol. The summers are actually beautiful
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C'mon guys, it's not that bad lol. The summers are actually beautiful View attachment 652653

I call BS... That's gotta be AI!!!

Just kidding... I lived there long enough to know there are some VERY nice days in the summer time. It's just spring the other 9 months out of the year.
 
Bought a used Prius for the kids to drive a few years ago. In my research at the time I saw that they were common targets for catalytic convertor theft. Thought about putting a cover over the convertor. Wife convinced me that we didn't need to, the kids lived at home and it was always in our driveway.

Flash forward to two days ago. The eldest had it in Philly overnight at his girlfriends house, comes out in the morning... Catalytic convertor... Gone.
 
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