Piss & Moan Table

[Zorba]

They are, and the software industry has embraced them, not because they have an obscene profit motive, but because:

• From day one, programmers (now called coders ) have been getting lazier and lazier about properly debugging their software, which creates a high support cost.
• Like other products, each generation includes new features. Unlike other products, those new features interface with existing features that may have been created 10 years ago by those programmers that are gone. This feeds point one above - debugging completely as the software evolves becomes unsustainable.
• Unlike any other industry I can think of, the actual product that you purchase is continually modified, and as the years go by, new programmers come on board that don't understand the product and old programmers leave. Imagine if, instead of buying a new car, you just kept sending it back to the factory to be re-worked - for decades, in the case of some Microsoft software. It wouldn't be pretty, and it would be expensive - you'd need more support because things wouldn't be re-worked correctly due to way the user used the product (think rust-belt vs. non-rust-belt vehicles). Instead, in most product-design scenarios, brand new products are designed, manufactured, and sold to replace the previous one you owned. This "clean slate" approach keeps customer support costs down because the team currently supporting the product designed all aspects of it and can both answer questions quickly and make revisions to replacement parts quickly.

The subscription model is here to stay, unfortunately. It allows the software companies to stay in business with their weird product lifecycle model.

You're not wrong - 99% of these "coders" never saw the inside of a CS-101 class, much less passed one. I won't bore everyone with yet another rant on THIS subject...

 

[lBasket]

You're not wrong - 99% of these "coders" never saw the inside of a CS-101 class, much less passed one. I won't bore everyone with yet another rant on THIS subject...

I learned assembly and hardware-level concepts as well as concepts related to language design itself and most of my peers are really surprised at that

 

[Zorba]

I learned assembly and hardware-level concepts as well as concepts related to language design itself and most of my peers are really surprised at that

I wrote assembly, hardware-level code for a living for over a decade. Here's one for you:

The company I worked for was a pioneer/leader in industrial computers. We eventually started building MS-DOS (later Windoze) compatible systems. Turns out a certain compiler wouldn't work on our system. Our brightest engineer, the guy with a logic analyzer grafted to his brain, figured out why: Said compiler was reading a NON-EXISTENT port, and making a run-time decision based on the value it received from bus float (since nothing responded). For those following along at home this is CS-101 first week bad. #1 Why would a compiler be reading hardware in the first place, #2, you just don't read non-existent hardware. There's ways of checking for the existence of hardware without depending on bus float.

This was back in the mid to late 80s. The compiler was written by one of the biggest in the business who should have known better: Microsoft.

Another one, far more recent, was created by software guys where I worked who should have know better: Opening a file, reading it, then NOT FUCKING CLOSING IT, and expecting it to be the same "next time". *FACE PALM* Bad practice in a single thread system, deadly bad in anything multi-threaded, multi-process, or multi-user.

 

[lBasket]

I got a good one. Paid a local plumber 850$ to not fix my backed up sewage. It's like 60' from the backup to the septic. Second local plumber cancelled my appointment an hour prior and then rescheduled me a week out, knowing my sewage is 100% backed up into my tub. Called big chain, came out same day 95$ to unclog and 200$ to scope the pipe to see what's wrong.

Sometimes you really get screwed trying to support the local guy. Annoying.

 

[Zorba]

Sometimes you really get screwed trying to support the local guy. Annoying.

We had a new vinyl fence put up a couple of years ago. Had two guys out to look at it, the big guy "Superior Fence & Rail", and a local guy. I really wanted to support the local guy if I could. He never got back to me - even after I emailed him to prod him: no response. Whatever.

 

[Farmergreg]

We had a new vinyl fence put up a couple of years ago. Had two guys out to look at it, the big guy "Superior Fence & Rail", and a local guy. I really wanted to support the local guy if I could. He never got back to me - even after I emailed him to prod him: no response. Whatever.

Same deal here. Years ago I wanted to install a ground water source heat pump, talked to the local guy and “he was going to get back to me Wednesday”. Came and went. Hired the big guy. Local guy finally called back two weeks later and seemed floored that I didn’t wait for him.

 

[ColoJeep]

Same deal here. Years ago I wanted to install a ground water source heat pump, talked to the local guy and “he was going to get back to me Wednesday”. Came and went. Hired the big guy. Local guy finally called back two weeks later and seemed floored that I didn’t wait for him.

Might have been different if he explained his schedule to you and kept you in the loop . but no call/no show would be a deal breaker for me.

 

[Zorba]

Might have been different if he explained his schedule to you and kept you in the loop . but no call/no show would be a deal breaker for me.

Yep. I'll play along if I'm kept in the loop, but going dark or being stonewalled and you're GONE!

 

[ColoJeep]

Yep. I'll play along if I'm kept in the loop, but going dark or being stonewalled and you're GONE!

Yup , I had 3 rules for the folks who worked for me 1: Just do your job and If you need anything to facilitate that , let me know . 2: If something seems unsafe or you are unsure if it's safe , STOP and contact me ASAP ! 3: Don't lie to me ! We can fix about any situation , even if you screwed it up , we all make mistakes .
But if you Lie or try and hide/deny an issue , you will have more problems than you thought possible !

 

[bucky]

Trust is easy to lose nearly impossible to gain back.

 

[Farmergreg]

Evap codes / Gas cap
Has anyone in the history of EVAP systems and DTC codes EVER solved it by replacing the gas cap?

This is only a plot by "Big Gas Caps" to sell more caps...

 

[ColoJeep]

Evap codes / Gas cap
Has anyone in the history of EVAP systems and DTC codes EVER solved it by replacing the gas cap?

This is only a plot by "Big Gas Caps" to sell more caps...

We have emission testing here , and end up replacing the gas cap every two years . The large o-ring is cracked on the gas cap . Chi-com rubber on Mexican caps is a plot to sell caps in my opinion.

 

[Farmergreg]

We have emission testing here , and end up replacing the gas cap every two years . The large o-ring is cracked on the gas cap . Chi-com rubber on Mexican caps is a plot to sell caps in my opinion.

My son put a TJ filler neck on his offroad truck build. He bought a new gas cap which I threw on my LJ just to see if that would solve the problem. Nope!
I think mine was OEM.... I might repo it!

Mom had a 2004 Grand Prix which got handed down to my daughter. DTC said loose fuel cap. Found the filler neck about rusted thru, so replaced that and the gas cap. Nope!
Talked to my Mr Goodwrench buddy and he said: put a new purge valve in. Nope that didn't work either.
I put it on the hoist and looking at the series of lines along the driver side frame one of the lines was rusted thru. Midwest salt addiction.
Replaced a section of line with hose and that cured the code.

 

[KennethS]

We have emission testing here , and end up replacing the gas cap every two years . The large o-ring is cracked on the gas cap . Chi-com rubber on Mexican caps is a plot to sell caps in my opinion.

Same here with emission testing. I’ve replaced the gas cap twice over the past 20 years to cure the Evap Leak error. Nowdays, the emission places actually test the gas cap and if it fails they keep it and give you a new one. In the past you had to replace it yourself, then go back for a free retest.

 

[ColoJeep]

Same here with emission testing. I’ve replaced the gas cap twice over the past 20 years to cure the Evap Leak error. Nowdays, the emission places actually test the gas cap and if it fails they keep it and give you a new one. In the past you had to replace it yourself, then go back for a free retest.

Here you have the pleasure of replacing it at your expense , then you have to do the entire IM-240 test again. even thought they screw your gas cap onto a fixture connected to the scanner . Every time our Jeeps or Toyotas passes the actual emission dyno test but because the cap failed you fail .
It's a total racket .

 

[LukesfirstJeep]

Here you have the pleasure of replacing it at your expense , then you have to do the entire IM-240 test again. even thought they screw your gas cap onto a fixture connected to the scanner . Every time our Jeeps or Toyotas passes the actual emission dyno test but because the cap failed you fail .
It's a total racket .

I know the owner of a local garage. They had to purchase a $10K machine and keep a dedicated comms line to the DMV to conduct emission testing. State law limits the testing cost to $20. I was told it would have been cheaper to replace the gas cap every year.

 

[ColoJeep]

I know the owner of a local garage. They had to purchase a $10K machine and keep a dedicated comms line to the DMV to conduct emission testing. State law limits the testing cost to $20. I was told it would have been cheaper to replace the gas cap every year.

Don't worry , you will .

 

[inkedrose]

If so, wood chipper feet first.

However, with all they’ve tried to do to him between various lawsuits, arrests and even attempted assassinations. I’m surprised this wouldn’t have been exploited if true.

The last pic is fake.

Theres a long, documented history with the two. 75% of those photos were accurate but you chose to focus on the 25%... thats's the problem we keep having. Both choices were horrible. Two 80 year old men have never the best candidates for any job ever

 

[reddvltj]

Theres a long, documented history with the two. 75% of those photos were accurate but you chose to focus on the 25%... thats's the problem we keep having. Both choices were horrible. Two 80 year old men have never the best candidates for any job ever

1st, your math ain't mathing... how tf do you get 75% and 25% out of 3 images? Your TDS is rotting your brain.

2nd, you assert that the first "2" images are accurate..... Prove it.... where is the concrete evidence? Because we all know that "sworn affidavits" are always 100% the truth... You know just like when Clinton said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman".

 

[Rickyd]

Clinton said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman".

I think what he meant to say was " I didn't have to pay for it! "