New Wizard / BMB tail lights?

[Tob]

Blaine, I’m not sure what differences exist between different flashers (Novita, ORO, EP26/27, etc.). I saw the Novita mentioned a few times - is that the only brand that will work with your tail lights for later TJs? For example, this is the one I installed to go with LED turn signals:

 

[dbbd1]

I'm curious about the price of the kit. Round numbers yet?

 

[chili_pepper]

Why not provide digital download of instructions on BMB website under the product description? That way no requirement for you to print, pack, et al.

I suspect this will be an option, but some like instructions in the box and don't want to mess with having to download and print them....they might not have a printer as well.

 

[macleanflood]

What about us 97 folks with YJ plugs?

-Mac

 

[Sudo]

Count me in for a set once available.

 

[psrivats]

Blaine, I’m not sure what differences exist between different flashers (Novita, ORO, EP26/27, etc.). I saw the Novita mentioned a few times - is that the only brand that will work with your tail lights for later TJs? For example, this is the one I installed to go with LED turn signals:

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edit - see @machoheadgames post below for a clearer answer.

The GCD one is EP26/EP27 design. It is a lower cost option that works in some vehicles and doesn't work in others and it is the cause of a WHOLE bunch of confusion on the forums, given no two jeepers have the same setup and just talk in generalities regarding flashers without clearly qualifying stuff. I did a WHOLE bunch of reading on this topic a while ago and it's a painful rabbit hole.

LM470 is a very high quality flasher, get that and you won't have headaches.

And to be clear .. more than the brand, it's the design of the flasher that matters more. Novita is owned by Osram Sylvania and is a good brand.

 

[machoheadgames]

What about us 97 folks with YJ plugs?

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-Mac

Those are just GM weather packs, you can buy the stuff to make those yourself easily. Though it might be in Blaine’s best interest to offer the parts. I know he has plenty of dealing with WPs.

 

[machoheadgames]

The GCD one is EP26. It is a low cost option that works in some vehicles and doesn't work in others and it is the cause of a WHOLE bunch of confusion on the forums, given no two jeepers have the same setup and just talk in generalities regarding flashers without clearly qualifying stuff. I did a WHOLE bunch of reading on this topic a while ago and it's a painful rabbit hole.

LM470 is a very high quality flasher, get that and you won't have headaches.

EP26 is for 97-00, or otherwise in any application where the relay is mounted to the firewall. LM470 is only for 01-06, where it’s part of the multifunction switch. They are also differentiated by pin count - EP26 is 4 (factory for 97-00 is 4), LM470 is 5 (factory for 01-06 is 5).

EP27 is the one that has been touted here for years and isn’t ever the correct choice. That’s the one that blows fuses and leaves turn signals running after ignition is shut off. I don’t know how it made it into the recommendation but it never should have. It is a 5 pin and plugs in, I guess that’s how it made it into the recommendations. But it shouldn’t have. EP26 will behave similarly to the EP27 in a later model. Can’t use EP26 in a later model without quirky problems.

EP26 is perfectly fine given it’s kept in its correct year range.

 

[psrivats]

EP26 is for 97-00, or otherwise in any application where the relay is mounted to the firewall. LM470 is only for 01-06, where it’s part of the multifunction switch. They are also differentiated by pin count - EP26 is 4 (factory for 97-00 is 4), LM470 is 5 (factory for 01-06 is 5).

EP27 is the one that has been touted here for years and isn’t ever the correct choice. That’s the one that blows fuses and leaves turn signals running after ignition is shut off. I don’t know how it made it into the recommendation but it never should have. It is a 5 pin and plugs in, I guess that’s how it made it into the recommendations. But it shouldn’t have.

EP26 is perfectly fine given it’s kept in its correct year range.

EP26 is not even needed for the older ones. The factory ones works fine if the trace cut mode is done (will find a link to that).

But otherwise, you are fully correct.

EP27 should never have been recommended and I have no idea who started that.

edit - trace cut mod for the 97-00:

 

[Tob]

EP26 is for 97-00, or otherwise in any application where the relay is mounted to the firewall. LM470 is only for 01-06, where it’s part of the multifunction switch. They are also differentiated by pin count - EP26 is 4 (factory for 97-00 is 4), LM470 is 5 (factory for 01-06 is 5).

EP27 is the one that has been touted here for years and isn’t ever the correct choice. That’s the one that blows fuses and leaves turn signals running after ignition is shut off. I don’t know how it made it into the recommendation but it never should have. It is a 5 pin and plugs in, I guess that’s how it made it into the recommendations. But it shouldn’t have.

EP26 is perfectly fine given it’s kept in its correct year range.

Interesting. That’s news to me. The GCD in my ‘04 works perfectly except for clicking a few times after deactivating the blinker. Maybe it will work with the tail lights since it works with my LED turn signals already.

 

[JMT]

I suspect this will be an option, but some like instructions in the box and don't want to mess with having to download and print them....they might not have a printer as well.

Some students who register for my courses don’t have wi-fi at home, Microsoft Word or Pages, or they can’t figure out how to use the learning software, all of which are required to take the course. They give me 1,000 excuses and I give them all the same answer.

Move into the 21st century or drop the class.

You can’t live your life pandering to every eccentric.

What Mr Blaine does is seek to accommodate every variation within a platform (and then a few common oddities like a 4” round hole). That’s all a person can do. When someone requests their special needs be met, they’re just not taking responsibility.

If you have a screen in your house or a printer, you can get the install instructions. No need for a printer. I use my iPad or iPhone sometimes in the garage. That way I have the instructions and I can search the internet if I need to. If someone made the order, presumably they have a screen.

 

[machoheadgames]

EP26 is not even needed for the older ones. The factory ones work fine if the trace is cut.

But otherwise, you are fully correct.

EP27 should never have been recommended and I have no idea who started that.

Yes, early models have the tracer cut option, or they can buy the EP26. Some may want to leave their factory one intact to throw it in the parts bin, that’s the only reason I mention the 26 as an option for purchase. I have a tendency to want to leave stock parts alone and save them just in case plans change down the road, but I change my mind a lot so that’s why I leave those options open.

Definitely don’t know who started the 27, I think it came from companies saying it would fit. I try to combat that every chance I get. I also see people try to run the 26 in the later models and that isn’t correct either and it doesn’t work right - causes plenty of confusion and I try to combat that as well when I see it.

 

[machoheadgames]

Interesting. That’s news to me. The GCD in my ‘04 works perfectly except for clicking a few times after deactivating the blinker. Maybe it will work with the tail lights since it works with my LED turn signals already.

I imagine what you have now will continue working as it does currently once the rear LEDs are installed. If it doesn’t, buy the LM470. It is the appropriate solution for your year.

 

[mrblaine]

Why not provide digital download of instructions on BMB website under the product description? That way no requirement for you to print, pack, et al.

Because I absolutely despise when a company makes me do that. I don't carry a smart phone and I will dictate how I do things based on that. I also know that home printers are not as common as they used to be and besides that, trees go back.

 

[psrivats]

Yes, early models have the tracer cut option, or they can buy the EP26. Some may want to leave their factory one intact to throw it in the parts bin, that’s the only reason I mention the 26 as an option for purchase. I have a tendency to want to leave stock parts alone and save them just in case plans change down the road, but I change my mind a lot so that’s why I leave those options open.

Definitely don’t know who started the 27, I think it came from companies saying it would fit. I try to combat that every chance I get. I also see people try to run the 26 in the later models and that isn’t correct either and it doesn’t work right - causes plenty of confusion and I try to combat that as well when I see it.

Happening in this thread right here! See @Tob's post above. This is the very reason why it is so confusing to read forum threads.

Your post above is clear and correct.

97-00 - use factory with modified trace cut (show pics I shared above) OR use EP26
01-06 - use LM470

@mrblaine This is the confusion I had written to you about. So much misinformation over time.

 

[mrblaine]

On step 8, you might add that folks with the early models can also buy and use the EP26 flasher. That is the appropriate flasher to replace the stocker for LED if they don’t want to cut the tracer. Just in case they want to keep the stock part intact for whatever reason.

I will take that under advisement.

 

[mrblaine]

So, some ingenious idiot will invert the housing and drill new holes while cussing that "this damn thing doesn't fit"...

And how is that my problem?

 

[mrblaine]

Blaine, I’m not sure what differences exist between different flashers (Novita, ORO, EP26/27, etc.). I saw the Novita mentioned a few times - is that the only brand that will work with your tail lights for later TJs? For example, this is the one I installed to go with LED turn signals:

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I have had many issues with that flasher since it is the one that Savvy used to supply. Biggest issue is you cancel the turn signal and it blinks a few more times. I can't deal with that.

I mention the Novita because I've never had it not work correctly. Others may have something else they like and want to dick around with, I'm over that part of doing things once I find something that works.

 

[chili_pepper]

Move into the 21st century or drop the class.

I’m not here to pander to every eccentric.

I think you've missed the point...but I wouldn't waste any additional time explaining it to you as you've clearly got it all figured out and have an answer for everything....much like you did in the manual gearbox thread. Not sure what your problem is but I hope you work it out.

 

[mrblaine]

What about us 97 folks with YJ plugs?

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-Mac

I am aware of that being a 97 only thing and am working on a solution.