Utah Moab in May 2025

Then we need to see where they require a certificate for a street legal registered passenger vehicle.

It’s “all” off highway vehicle “operators.” It’s doesn’t matter what the rig is per se. It’s the driver.

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It’s “all” off highway vehicle “operators.” It’s doesn’t matter what the rig is per se. It’s the driver.

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This just sounds like it's to cover OHVs from places that do and don't allow them on the street legally.

To paraphrase our founding fathers... "Regulate this dick"
 
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This just sounds like it's to cover OHVs from places that do and don't allow them on the street legally.

To paraphrase our founding fathers... "Regulate this dick"

We don’t have OHV’s. We have “passenger vehicles” that go “off highway.” If you go through the certificate program you’ll see it is concerned with safety off road and taking care of the biological and ecological environment. It tells you where to drive and not drive. How to drive. How to take a shit. Stuff like that.
 
They make it pretty clear Jeeps with plates don't need it to me?

"Does my car/jeep/truck, etc., need a Utah non-resident OHV permit?

If your machine is registered as a “passenger vehicle,” it does not require a Utah non-resident OHV permit because it is not considered an off-highway vehicle (OHV)."
 
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They make it pretty clear Jeeps with plates don't need it to me?

"Does my car/jeep/truck, etc., need a Utah non-resident OHV permit?

If your machine is registered as a “passenger vehicle,” it does not require a Utah non-resident OHV permit because it is not considered an off-highway vehicle (OHV)."

Exactly.
 
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Sorry maybe I misunderstood I thought people were debating if we needed to do it.

It seems the argument is. Does the operator of a street licensed vehicle, being used as an OHV, need to take the OHV operator deal for the certification?

We can put the need for a permit to bed since it's not needed on street licensed passenger vehicles.
 
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It seems the argument is. Does the operator of a street licensed vehicle, being used as an OHV, need to take the OHV operator deal for the certification?

We can put the need for a permit to bed since it's not needed on street licensed passenger vehicles.

Right. Do only OHV operators require a certificate to shit in the Utah desert? As best as I can tell, my Jeep that I will be operating is not an OHV.
 
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Right. Do only OHV operators require a certificate to shit in the Utah desert? As best as I can tell, my Jeep that I will be operating is not an OHV.

Their terminology is confusing. In some places they ‘seem’ to refer to our Jeep’s as Type III OHV’s (see your pic of the website on prior page in this thread) and in other places as licensed passenger vehicles rather than OHV’s. The point I think they are trying to make is that if you are going to be operating any motorized vehicle off highway then you need to take the certificate education program. No shitting without your certificate. 😂They should have someone qualified go over their website and define terms and make things clear. Right now it’s as clear as mud.
 
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Their terminology is confusing. In some places they ‘seem’ to refer to our Jeep’s as Type III OHV’s (see your pic of the website on prior page in this thread) and in other places as licensed passenger vehicles rather than OHV’s. The point I think they are trying to make is that if you are going to be operating any motorized vehicle off highway then you need to take the certificate education program. No shitting without your certificate. 😂They should have someone qualified go over their website and define terms and make things clear. Right now it’s as clear as mud.

Government shouldn't needlessly overcomplicate things.
 
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AI says no, a street legal and licensed jeep doesn't count. I am going with that.

In Utah, a road-legal Jeep is generally not considered an off-highway vehicle (OHV) under the state's OHV permit system, provided it meets specific criteria. According to Utah's regulations, a vehicle registered as a "passenger vehicle"—such as a Jeep with a standard license plate and meeting street-legal requirements—does not require a Utah non-resident OHV permit or fall under the OHV classification. This applies to both residents and non-residents.

For a Jeep to be considered road-legal in Utah, it must comply with the state's street-legal requirements, which include having proper equipment like headlamps, tail lights, turn signals, a braking system, a muffler, and a horn, as well as passing a safety inspection and carrying valid insurance. If your Jeep is registered and plated in your home state (or Utah, for residents) and meets these standards, it is classified as a passenger vehicle rather than an OHV. As a result, it does not need an OHV registration sticker or a non-resident OHV permit to operate on public roads or trails designated for such vehicles.

However, if your Jeep is not registered as a street-legal passenger vehicle—say, it’s modified solely for off-road use and lacks the necessary equipment or plating—it would then be classified as an OHV. In that case, it would require an OHV registration (for Utah residents) or a non-resident OHV permit (for out-of-state visitors) to operate on public lands or trails.

So, to summarize: a road-legal Jeep, properly registered and plated as a passenger vehicle, is not considered an OHV in Utah’s OHV permit system and does not require an OHV permit. If you’re unsure about your specific Jeep’s status, double-check its registration and compliance with Utah’s street-legal standards.
 
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There are trails around Moab that do in fact require a permit. Elephant Hill is 1 such trail. There are others. Elephant Hill is within Canyonlands NP.
 
There are trails around Moab that do in fact require a permit. Elephant Hill is 1 such trail. There are others. Elephant Hill is within Canyonlands NP.

Elephant Hill and Coyote Canyon are the only ones I'm aware of.
 
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