Or I guess the word stability is what's confusing. Maybe I should say wandering but I've got that dialed in pretty good considering its a lifted breadbox. Its not swaying back and forth like a drunken sailor and is rather firm in that aspect.
Long arm advantage question
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Or I guess the word stability is what's confusing. Maybe I should say wandering but I've got that dialed in pretty good considering its a lifted breadbox. Its not swaying back and forth like a drunken sailor and is rather firm in that aspect.
Final attempt. My base question is simply about short vs long arms and its advantage to lifted wranglers above 4". This is not in any way focused on stability but on the whole bigger picture of the benifit of long arms in general.
Ir0nH3@d
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very true as there are a million ways to build a suspension, but most don't lengthen the frame when extending the wheelbase. always gotta be uber specific on this page
Hey pal, this has been asked and answered a hundred times over on this forum. A simple search will not only get you the answer you're asking, but so much more. The issues being alluded to here have more to do with your long arm question. The biggest one is there's no real reason you should be running a lift more than 4.5" suspension lift. Higher than that causes crazy issues. Simply put, no....there's absolutely no advantage to long arms.
https://wranglertjforum.com/threads/long-arm-or-not.17803/
https://wranglertjforum.com/threads/long-arm-lifts-vs-short-arm-lifts.13319/
https://wranglertjforum.com/threads/not-your-mamas-long-arm-debate.33258/
https://wranglertjforum.com/threads/school-me-on-mid-arm-vs-long-arm.34837/
Read these threads. There’s more where that came from, believe me.
Ir0nH3@d
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no, simply lengthening the arms does not increase stability. arm length is not the question, it is arm mount placement that affects geometry, the length of the arms is a byproduct of those mount locations
Ok. That's a different question that what you started with. Long arms change the suspension geometry. Which, in our case, determines how the rear end reacts while under load. Again, in our case, that suspension reaction is meaningful during steep climbs.
Lifted stock suspension geometry creates uncontrollable hopping during steep climbs, causing unpredictability in handing and control. Longer arms are an attempt to correct that hopping.
The problem is that all bolt on long arm kits get the geometry wrong at the rear frame mounts. They can succeed in stopping the hop. However, they go too far by creating a geometry that causes the rear to sink. This leads to a different unpredictability and control, where the front end lifts off the ground risking a backwards flip.
It helps everyone when see can better understand the reasoning and mechanics behind what does what, and why we might want to make changes that are actually effective and meaningful.
Understanding shocks and suspension geometries are two examples that can lay a solid foundation that aid in better decisions. Confused threads like this are a fine example of things that can be avoided.
Here for the plot
Long arm kits are all about marketing and lies.
My lift is for traversing tundra and muskegs back home up in Alaska as trying to get one more trip in with my kids before I pass as Im a single dad in aggressive terminal lung rejection. If you have not delt with those kind of conditions I understand why 4.5 would br more then adequate and even overkill in most cases but for what I need not so much. I apologize for my inability to find the appropriate threads in this forum but I thank you for your input.
Building for your terrain or for taller lift heights does not change the mechanics. Anything discussed about bolt on long arms and suspension geometry applies just the same.
what are the advantages of long vs short.
Go spend time with your kids.
True!
Either short arm kit with some nice Savvy/Currie arms or......if you got deep-ish pockets a Savvy mid arm kit, Nice geometry lets you run comfortably run long travel shocks ect. but this guy is in the snow compared to guys in the rocks (like me)
Edit- If this man is really concerned about stability,
He'll need good decent swaybars I.e "Swayloc" for the front/rear since they claim its 15-20% Stiffer over stock or some swaybars from Hellwig too ( have good experience with them on squarebody chevys! ) im sure they got some HD swaybars that are stiffer
Shocks with decent valving since hes on 37's with a tall lift
And if your pockets are deep some full width axles along with (Optional) a midarm setup or stock length arms with corrected geometry for better comfort but being in the snow with thick sidewalls im assuming the ride is comfy ?
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I can keep going.
Shock travel isn't limited by the arm length. The common 12" shock outboard has no meaningful differences in installation between a short arm suspension or a longer arm.
I could certainly get a direct answer from them at least
But yeah I guess I dont fit into the old school elietest club here. Have a great life young man. Adios
I can keep going.
Shock travel isn't limited by the arm length. The common 12" shock outboard has no meaningful differences in installation between a short arm suspension or a longer arm.
I edited my post since i clicked "post reply" on accident....
welp i dream of having 14-16 inches of travel one day and having shocks poking out my hood for shits and giggles and i bet a midarm with good geometry will be needed !
I could certainly get a direct answer from them at least
Stop it. It is entirely your decision to learn or to remain ignorant. You are you own victim.
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