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Brake light indicator on again after replacing proportioning valve

Buys a part with 2.5 star rating (only reviews are 1 star), has trouble, needs help, doesn't answer any questions that would allow assistance to be provided....makes sense.

100% my fault on buying a shitty Amazon one , plus I hardly get on the forum much since life gets in the way . trying to figure it out but its a reoccurring problem and I still don't understand whats the issue . plus I've tried asking a few people I know that are jeep experts and don't get a full answer . so I'm kinda just wanting to give up lol . trying to be better at answering messages but when theres so many cant keep up . :)
 
trying to be better at answering messages but when theres so many cant keep up . :)
My advice: Mr. Blaine is the resident brake expert on the forum, and he's forgotten more than the rest of us, combined, know about the subject. If you're having a hard time trying to keep up with the feedback, since you have his attention, just concentrate on answering his questions (and be grateful that you have his attention - he's a busy feller). Follow his suggestions, and you'll be able to fix it properly. However, you seem to have a bit of a patience problem. Take a deep breath, because lack of patience and problem-solving are not a good combination.

Look at these four posts from Mr. Blaine:
When you installed the combo block (that thing you are calling a proposition valve) why did you think you needed to?

Why was the combo valve replaced?

Have you done anything to diagnose the system since your post on July 1, the first post in this thread?

Or, nothing has changed with regard to the original problem. The system was not diagnosed. We do not know if we have air in the master, a leak, improperly bled system, or something else that might have caused the original issue. We just made assumptions that the messenger telling us there is a problem was wrong and got us a new messenger. Now the new messenger is telling us the same thing so now it is the messenger's fault, again.

The explanations above from everyone are not something that is done without effort and care and like the messenger, was wholly dismissed.

All four posts are Mr. Blaine's way of educating you. What he's saying is that you skipped over the first step of the problem-solving process when you changed the combination block. The first step you skipped is diagnostics. You have to spend some time diagnosing the problem before you put together a plan to solve it. You just skipped over that, assumed it was the combination valve, and changed it. Because you skipped the diagnostics step, you're now lost because you still need to do that step. Blaming the cheap replacement part is continuing to skip diagnostics. You are in "parts-changer" mode, but need to switch to "problem-solver" mode. Yes, the cheap part could be the cause; however, you still need to back up and diagnose the problem, if you really want to fix it properly.

This is the most important post to answer because it's the start of the diagnostic process:
The connector at the switch in the side of the combo block is part of a series circuit. You can unplug the connector off of the switch and the parking brake switch still works at the parking brake. So, do that, unplug the connector at the combo block and report the change if any to the light and beeping.

Answer that request, and you'll be on your way to a beep-free life, my friend!
 
I haven't messed with bleeding the brakes at all since they seem fine .
Seem and is are two entirely different states of functionality. How did you swap out the combo block without bleeding the brakes?
when I push the brake down to get it to temporary go off it doesn't do much .
You have to be specific. Down to get what to temporily go off?
overall I have read through all the messages and I'd like to do something about it but don't know where to start . I'd like to unplug the switch on it and see where that goes but don't know if that would do anything .
You would like to unplug the connector from the switch? What does that mean?
also I know that I shouldn't of bought the Amazon one but really that was my only choice because I couldn't find a mopar one to save my life plus I wasn't spending $300+ .
Again, it doesn't matter if you did or did not buy the cheap one because we still know exactly zero about why the system is turning the light on. Until we know something that a diagnosis tells us, all we know is you changed out a part that may or may not be bad.
I've seen some on eBay like OEM ones I don't know if that would fix my issue I'm having or its electrical or whatnot but I'm getting tired of it beeping I just want it to go off
If you unplug the connector from the switch in side of the combo block with the parking brake not applied, key on until the dash lights up, transmission in drive, what happens? Put another way, if you recreate the normal conditions under which the light turns on with the connector unplugged, what changes?
 
Seem and is are two entirely different states of functionality. How did you swap out the combo block without bleeding the brakes?

You have to be specific. Down to get what to temporily go off?

You would like to unplug the connector from the switch? What does that mean?

Again, it doesn't matter if you did or did not buy the cheap one because we still know exactly zero about why the system is turning the light on. Until we know something that a diagnosis tells us, all we know is you changed out a part that may or may not be bad.

If you unplug the connector from the switch in side of the combo block with the parking brake not applied, key on until the dash lights up, transmission in drive, what happens? Put another way, if you recreate the normal conditions under which the light turns on with the connector unplugged, what changes?

I have read through all the posts and starting fresh on what all lead down to it .

sometime last year don't remember when but I had the brake light beeping noise some on and I didn't know what it was so I had a shop near by diagnose it for me so I can get a legit answer instead of some bullshit one and the shop said from a paper I have kept is "Brake Light Stays on ( Brake FL. Level Switch Combonation Valve " so that's where it all started then I asked how much to fix it and they said about $300 or so from an OEM one so I took matters into my own hands and went to buy one off Amazon and couldn't find any mopar ones then I had a close friend help me with bleeding brakes and showing me how it all works then it was all good .

Then after it was all fixed the jeep was beep free then it started again after a few days then went off then it was brake light flashing and beeping then went off and so on . Fast forward to today it still does same thing but like constantly . and even if I brake it'll beep then if I let off the brake it'll stop then sometimes if I start up the jeep hours from then or the next day brake light will stay on then randomly go off .

Its so odd why it happens but if its the crappy amazon one I can switch back to the OEM one but then it wouldn't do any good because that one would wind up doing the same thing like it is now .

From what I read about unplugging the switch can I do that and see what happens or will it effect anything with braking wise or is that totally different ?

I hope this is enough information to provide and if not I can think of some more and trouble shoot my issues first before giving up .

Thank you Mr Blaine for being pacient with me unlike myself and giving me lots of questions to answer and trying to find my problem and hope to have no more beeping .
 
I have read through all the posts and starting fresh on what all lead down to it .

sometime last year don't remember when but I had the brake light beeping noise some on and I didn't know what it was so I had a shop near by diagnose it for me so I can get a legit answer instead of some bullshit one and the shop said from a paper I have kept is "Brake Light Stays on ( Brake FL. Level Switch Combonation Valve " so that's where it all started then I asked how much to fix it and they said about $300 or so from an OEM one so I took matters into my own hands and went to buy one off Amazon and couldn't find any mopar ones then I had a close friend help me with bleeding brakes and showing me how it all works then it was all good .
The shop is stupid. It is not a brake fluid level switch. First, a fluid level switch or sensor would be in the side of the fluid reservoir so it would be able to read the fluid level.

We have a simple plunger switch that has a spring loaded plunger that holds the shuttle valve in place. Entirely different function.
Fluid level switch-
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If you did not bleed with the key on and parking brake off, then you have no idea if it was bled properly. The other problem is what caused the system to allow air in? Prior to the first bleeding by you and your special friend, did it lose fluid or was it low on fluid?

Then after it was all fixed the jeep was beep free then it started again after a few days then went off then it was brake light flashing and beeping then went off and so on . Fast forward to today it still does same thing but like constantly . and even if I brake it'll beep then if I let off the brake it'll stop then sometimes if I start up the jeep hours from then or the next day brake light will stay on then randomly go off .
I have already explained how the system works.
Its so odd why it happens but if its the crappy amazon one I can switch back to the OEM one but then it wouldn't do any good because that one would wind up doing the same thing like it is now .
If you refer to the one from Amazon as crappy again, we are done. If the one from Amazon is crappy, then so is the one you removed since they are both producing the same results which is to tell you that there is a problem in the system which is their precise function which they both have done and are doing.
From what I read about unplugging the switch can I do that and see what happens or will it effect anything with braking wise or is that totally different ?

I hope this is enough information to provide and if not I can think of some more and trouble shoot my issues first before giving up .

Thank you Mr Blaine for being pacient with me unlike myself and giving me lots of questions to answer and trying to find my problem and hope to have no more beeping .
I have given you a test to start with. I'm not repeating it. Read again, slowly this time and then do what you were told to do and report back.
 
Seem and is are two entirely different states of functionality. How did you swap out the combo block without bleeding the brakes?

You have to be specific. Down to get what to temporily go off?

You would like to unplug the connector from the switch? What does that mean?

Again, it doesn't matter if you did or did not buy the cheap one because we still know exactly zero about why the system is turning the light on. Until we know something that a diagnosis tells us, all we know is you changed out a part that may or may not be bad.

If you unplug the connector from the switch in side of the combo block with the parking brake not applied, key on until the dash lights up, transmission in drive, what happens? Put another way, if you recreate the normal conditions under which the light turns on with the connector unplugged, what changes?

I reread it up top and did a bit learning by myself and with the combo block switch in it beeps and has brake light indicator on while I drive around then I went back home and unplugged the switch off the block and it was fine and no beeping at all . Can I remove that completely off the block and tape it off since I think I found the issue ? That's all I have for now and what I have done to try and do something than not doing anything to fix the problem .
 
I reread it up top and did a bit learning by myself and with the combo block switch in it beeps and has brake light indicator on while I drive around then I went back home and unplugged the switch off the block and it was fine and no beeping at all . Can I remove that completely off the block and tape it off since I think I found the issue ? That's all I have for now and what I have done to try and do something than not doing anything to fix the problem .

Go read it all again. You have not found the issue.
 
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I reread it up top and did a bit learning by myself and with the combo block switch in it beeps and has brake light indicator on while I drive around then I went back home and unplugged the switch off the block and it was fine and no beeping at all . Can I remove that completely off the block and tape it off since I think I found the issue ? That's all I have for now and what I have done to try and do something than not doing anything to fix the problem .
The beep and light being on tell you the shuttle valve has shifted in the combo block. The valve shifts when pressure is higher on one side than the other. The high pressure side is typically the normal non leaking side. The "leak" is the lower pressure side. Leak in quotes because it can be a faulty plunger in the switch but very rarely. More commonly the low pressure or no pressure is caused by an actual leak, air in a caliper that is upside down, air in the system that is not properly bled out, or something else other than a faulty switch.

You need to shift the shuttle back to neutral, lock it out, then do a good manual bleed.
 
The beep and light being on tell you the shuttle valve has shifted in the combo block. The valve shifts when pressure is higher on one side than the other. The high pressure side is typically the normal non leaking side. The "leak" is the lower pressure side. Leak in quotes because it can be a faulty plunger in the switch but very rarely. More commonly the low pressure or no pressure is caused by an actual leak, air in a caliper that is upside down, air in the system that is not properly bled out, or something else other than a faulty switch.

You need to shift the shuttle back to neutral, lock it out, then do a good manual bleed.

Before i bleed the brakes and continue on with all of this should I go ahead and buy your brake bleeding lock out tool ?

Also thanks again for more information. Also I took a look at the combo block earlier today and noticed on the far left side it was wet due to leak from the brake fluid .

Also I can’t just unplug that switch and be done ? It seemed to work when i did so but when i plugged it back in it started doing its thing again .
 
It is weird to see someone work so hard , to do something dumb , when you've had someone I consider a brake expert , explain a sound method of diagnosing the issue. You are missing out on a great learning experience , don't blow it . Thank You.
 
Also I can’t just unplug that switch and be done ? It seemed to work when i did so but when i plugged it back in it started doing its thing again .
Here is the near same mentality. You drive around a bit and there is a beep from the dash and a check gauges light turns on. You look and notice that the temp gauge is pegged in the red. Well, that's fucking annoying. When you get home, you unplug the connector off of the the temp sensor on the thermostat housing and tape it up. All better now, no more check gauges and that annoying beep is gone.
 
Here is the near same mentality. You drive around a bit and there is a beep from the dash and a check gauges light turns on. You look and notice that the temp gauge is pegged in the red. Well, that's fucking annoying. When you get home, you unplug the connector off of the the temp sensor on the thermostat housing and tape it up. All better now, no more check gauges and that annoying beep is gone.

Been there a few times, that check gauges light is a scary sight to see. Also this write up gotta be a joke lol . Starting to understand it now after reading all the write ups over and over :):ROFLMAO:
 
The beep and light being on tell you the shuttle valve has shifted in the combo block. The valve shifts when pressure is higher on one side than the other. The high pressure side is typically the normal non leaking side. The "leak" is the lower pressure side. Leak in quotes because it can be a faulty plunger in the switch but very rarely. More commonly the low pressure or no pressure is caused by an actual leak, air in a caliper that is upside down, air in the system that is not properly bled out, or something else other than a faulty switch.

You need to shift the shuttle back to neutral, lock it out, then do a good manual bleed.

Haven't been on the forum for a few days but I want to check back in a say I have no more brake light indicator (Beep) for now . that day I unplugged it and drove around and then re-plugged it back in it was gone . fast forward to now no more beep and its been quiet and I can actually enjoy my drives
 
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