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32RH / 30RH transmission pump - all the things

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First and foremost, this is all in the FSM. But if you're like me, you'd rather watch some dude actually do it than read a sometimes confusing factory service manual.

Lots of reasons why you might need to remove your transmission pump, even outside of rebuilding a 30RH or a 32RH (or 904 or 999 out of a YJ, for instance). You may just be leaking at the gasket, o-ring, front seal, or maybe you're just re-locating your breather.....in which case you'll need many of these same steps.

It is 100% possible to replace the front seal without removing the pump in general, but (a) it requires caution as the stator shaft is in the way so you have limited angles to attack the seal and (b) sometimes it just doesn't want to come out. Of those times, you may have to actually take the pump apart and drive the seal out from behind.

In general, you're probably going to have to replace the gasket any time you take the pump out because it pretty much always comes out in pieces. And any kit that includes the gasket also includes the giant o-ring, so you're going to be doing all those steps every time.

If you're replacing the pump, they are interchangeable for the most part. Especially the 30RH & 32RH from a TJ. If you get into some of the different models these units (or variations of these units) went into you may find they are less interchangeable. The lockup/non-lockup is probably the easiest thing to visually identify; the lockup has 3 check balls inside whereas the non-lockup has 2 check balls. It does not appear that this is user-serviceable in any way. Another variation is related to your torque converter. If your TC has flats on the snout, you will find that your pump gear also has flats on it. If your TC has notches, you'll find that your pump gear has corresponding lugs (which is what you'll find in the video below). Should you need to, you can almost always just take the gears from one pump and put them into another (ie. you bought a new pump off ebay but the gears have lugs while your TC has flats).

Regarding the band adjustments.... if ALL you are doing is removing the pump, working on it, and putting it back in, and will be working VERTICALLY the entire time, you probably don't need to mess with the band adjustment. If you at any point won't be fully vertical (i.e. you're doing the breather relocation), you should fully tighten down the band adjuster to hold the forward drum in place. If you don't, you risk the clutch teeth coming misaligned & having a thrust washer move on you. And if you have to correct that, I'm not kidding when I say you should just complete the rebuild at that point. Then, when you go to put the pump back in, I recommend you loosen the band adjuster screw to allow the drum some lateral play as the pump reaction shaft tries to center the drum as you install the pump. THEN do the final band adjustment procedure as found in the FSM.

Tools needed:
Slide hammer
7/16" x 2" bolt & washer
1/2" socket + a long-ish extentsion
3/8" socket
Inch-lb torque wrench
Hammer
flathead screwdriver (to drive out the old bushing)
Shop press (or equivalent to press in the new bushing)
Feeler gauge
Assemblee Goo


Torque Specs
Pump-support bolts: 15 ft-lbs
Pump-case bolts: 175 in-lbs (this is incorrectly listed as 175 foot-lbs in the ATSG manual)

Tolerances
Ring gear to housing: 0.001" - 0.003"
Tooth clearance: 0.005" - 0.010"
End clearance*: 0.004" - 0.008"

*how far do the pump gears sit below the rest of the pump housing; this is not captured in my video.


Removing the pump:


Overhauling the pump:
While you have the pump split open is a great time to consider doing the breather relocation. You can do a better job tapping & cleaning with the pump separated. I've seen others actually weld the hole shut. Either way, now is the time to tackle that project.



Re-installing the pump:
 
First and foremost, this is all in the FSM. But if you're like me, you'd rather watch some dude actually do it than read a sometimes confusing factory service manual.

Lots of reasons why you might need to remove your transmission pump, even outside of rebuilding a 30RH or a 32RH (or 904 or 999 out of a YJ, for instance). You may just be leaking at the gasket, o-ring, front seal, or maybe you're just re-locating your breather.....in which case you'll need many of these same steps.

It is 100% possible to replace the front seal without removing the pump in general, but (a) it requires caution as the stator shaft is in the way so you have limited angles to attack the seal and (b) sometimes it just doesn't want to come out. Of those times, you may have to actually take the pump apart and drive the seal out from behind.

In general, you're probably going to have to replace the gasket any time you take the pump out because it pretty much always comes out in pieces. And any kit that includes the gasket also includes the giant o-ring, so you're going to be doing all those steps every time.

If you're replacing the pump, they are interchangeable for the most part. Especially the 30RH & 32RH from a TJ. If you get into some of the different models these units (or variations of these units) went into you may find they are less interchangeable. The lockup/non-lockup is probably the easiest thing to visually identify; the lockup has 3 check balls inside whereas the non-lockup has 2 check balls. It does not appear that this is user-serviceable in any way. Another variation is related to your torque converter. If your TC has flats on the snout, you will find that your pump gear also has flats on it. If your TC has notches, you'll find that your pump gear has corresponding lugs (which is what you'll find in the video below). Should you need to, you can almost always just take the gears from one pump and put them into another (ie. you bought a new pump off ebay but the gears have lugs while your TC has flats).

Regarding the band adjustments.... if ALL you are doing is removing the pump, working on it, and putting it back in, and will be working VERTICALLY the entire time, you probably don't need to mess with the band adjustment. If you at any point won't be fully vertical (i.e. you're doing the breather relocation), you should fully tighten down the band adjuster to hold the forward drum in place. If you don't, you risk the clutch teeth coming misaligned & having a thrust washer move on you. And if you have to correct that, I'm not kidding when I say you should just complete the rebuild at that point. Then, when you go to put the pump back in, I recommend you loosen the band adjuster screw to allow the drum some lateral play as the pump reaction shaft tries to center the drum as you install the pump. THEN do the final band adjustment procedure as found in the FSM.

Tools needed:
Slide hammer
7/16" x 2" bolt & washer
1/2" socket + a long-ish extentsion
3/8" socket
Inch-lb torque wrench
Hammer
flathead screwdriver (to drive out the old bushing)
Shop press (or equivalent to press in the new bushing)
Feeler gauge
Assemblee Goo


Torque Specs
Pump-support bolts: 15 ft-lbs
Pump-case bolts: 175 in-lbs (this is incorrectly listed as 175 foot-lbs in the ATSG manual)

Tolerances
Ring gear to housing: 0.001" - 0.003"
Tooth clearance: 0.005" - 0.010"
End clearance*: 0.004" - 0.008"

*how far do the pump gears sit below the rest of the pump housing; this is not captured in my video.


Removing the pump:


Overhauling the pump:
While you have the pump split open is a great time to consider doing the breather relocation. You can do a better job tapping & cleaning with the pump separated. I've seen others actually weld the hole shut. Either way, now is the time to tackle that project.



Re-installing the pump:

Man! I just pulled my transmission apart. I have to say this is the best write up/ videos series I've seen for a 32rh. I couldn't have done it without your videos. Thanks!
 
Just finished overhauling the pump in my rebuild the other day. I'd be up this creek without a paddle without his rebuild thread and videos for sure as well. I also got that ATSG manual with my OPT rebuild kit, and got a kick out of laughing at the two definitely wrong torque specs on the specifications page. It is most certainly not 175 foot pounds.
 
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yeah, they forgot the * to indicate inch-lbs. what is the other wrong torque spec?
 
It's a shame we're not closer. I have a 32RH, and some conversion parts, sitting in the garage that nobody wants in my area. At some point soon I'll be taking all of it to the scrap yard. :cautious:
 
yeah, they forgot the * to indicate inch-lbs. what is the other wrong torque spec?

The other one that looks wrong is the governor body to support bolt spec. 95 inch pounds seems like the correct spec, but there’s no asterisk; I added the mark next to it in pencil.
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Not sure how I missed this one, but you're probably right. 95 ft-lbs is like 128 N-m, whereas 95 in-lbs is 10.7 N-m. The handful of times I've found a bad torque spec, the metric spec is always correct. The typesetter definitely just forgot the *. So maybe the best thing to do is always use the metric spec. Another quick test to identify if the spec is wrong is to check if the ft-lb value is greater than the N-m spec. Metric should be about 30% higher. If the metric is lower then they probably forgot the * on the SAE measurement. Of course it's also possible that the metric value is misprinted, and the SAE value is actually correct.

But maybe the real lesson is that we should use our brains when we look at torque values. I sure learned this the hard way when I first re-installed my pump. That 175 ft-lb spec on a small bolt into an aluminum case...... in hindsight it is so obviously NOT 175 ft-lbs, but I just blindly followed the book and I stripped out the hole. So avoidable on my part. 🤦‍♂️
 
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