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Dana 44 Pinion Seal

Thats why I said...... It's probably cheaper to take it to a Reputable trans shop.
It's really not a difficult task to do if you have access to the right tools.
Ok, just wondering if you would rely on a torque wrench that you had to use a series of step ups to get the 1 1/8" socket to fit for in-lbs? If I was consistent in how I used the tool before and after, I would think it would be ok, but I'm not an expert, I'm a hobby mechanic.

I'm not worried about the difficulty if that cheaper torque wrench will work.

I am reticent to send it to a shop. I am always reticent about that. Only thing I have sent it to a shop for is gears and AC. Gears are great. AC lasted 2 days and cost me $600.
 
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Ok, just wondering if you would rely on a torque wrench that you had to use a series of step ups to get the 1 1/8" socket to fit for in-lbs?

I'm not worried about the difficulty if that cheaper torque wrench will work.

I am reticent to send it to a shop. I am always reticent about that. Only thing I have sent it to a shop for is gears and AC. Gears are great. AC lasted 2 days and cost me $600.
mine is a 1/4 torque wrench and I use an adapter. so it's no big deal.
The lesser expensive wrench that I posted will work just fine. That is actually the type our GM world class tech uses when he sets up rear diffs.
 
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mine is a 1/4 torque wrench and I use an adapter. so it's no big deal.
The lesser expensive wrench that I posted will work just fine. That is actually the type our GM world class tech uses when he sets up rear diffs.
Thanks so much for your help. Great stuff. Wish I had your knowledge in some of these areas.
 
You're welcome. I'm always happy to help.
Don't bother if you don't have time, but why would my pinion seal go bad? The gears were done on Feb 7, 2019, so about 2.5 years ago. I have drive on those gears for 23,000 miles.

When I did the full tummy tuck I did get vibes due to the front drive shaft. I pulled it to make sure. At one point I replaced everything on that shaft about 3-4 months ago. It didn't fix the vibes. The pinion angle doesn't change anything. I have it pointing straight at the TCase output shaft. Just wondering if the vibrations might have caused premature failure of the pinion seal and if this might just be a recurring problem?
 
Don't bother if you don't have time, but why would my pinion seal go bad? The gears were done on Feb 7, 2019, so about 2.5 years ago. I have drive on those gears for 23,000 miles.

When I did the full tummy tuck I did get vibes due to the front drive shaft. I pulled it to make sure. At one point I replaced everything on that shaft about 3-4 months ago. It didn't fix the vibes. The pinion angle doesn't change anything. I have it pointing straight at the TCase output shaft. Just wondering if the vibrations might have caused premature failure of the pinion seal and if this might just be a recurring problem?
It could be a number of things. Dirt/mud/grime from 4 wheeling could have compramised the seal.
Mine I think started leaking due to a vibration form the front driveshaft. I had a bad front U-joint causing a vibe, shortly afterwards the seal started leaking.
I have a new Tom Woods shaft sitting in my garage that I have yet to install.
 
I just went out and did mine in the last twenty minutes.
It wasn’t leaking. Just wanted to do it the worst way possible and show how easy it is.

I used a plumbers wrench and some oakum!! Just came back from some hard core wheelin’ and no leaks. :cool:
 
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I want to clarify a few things as well as help out JMT.

First, I can tell you from experience that marking the pinion nut and threads is not a reliable or even a good way to re-tighten the pinion. A difference of 10 in/lbs could be as little as 1/16' nut rotation. It is amazing how fast torque goes up compared to nut rotation.

Second, and I think everyone has agreed, is to use a new nut. That eliminates the mothod described above.

Third, the FSM doesn't just state to tighten it to 160 ft/lbs and call it good. It actually states to check your pinion preload prior (which requires removing the carrier) and then try to match it + 5 in/lbs once you re-install the yoke.

I can tell you that a crush sleeve may or may not be reusable in that instance. But waht are you going to do if it's not, or if you overtighten it? If you are going to reuse the crush sleeve, fine. I'm saying you should have at least another one on hand in case the original is unusable.

Simply tightening it to 160 ft/lbs is only part of the equation. Even then, I don't like that as an answer in general. Tighten it to whatever it will take to get the proper pinion preload. If it's 160 great, but if it takes 210, then that's what I'll do. By not getting the correct preload you risk abnormal bearing wear or bearing damage which results in a new gear job.

I'm glad people have had success doing it the short way but the risk just isn't worth it to me. $5 vs. $1000. Your call. And I say that loosely because if you can re-use the crush sleeve and get it to pre-load spec, then great!

With all of that being said, most shops will take the shortcut because time is money and good enough is good enough for them. Not my preference though.
 
I want to clarify a few things as well as help out JMT.

First, I can tell you from experience that marking the pinion nut and threads is not a reliable or even a good way to re-tighten the pinion. A difference of 10 in/lbs could be as little as 1/16' nut rotation. It is amazing how fast torque goes up compared to nut rotation.

Second, and I think everyone has agreed, is to use a new nut. That eliminates the mothod described above.

Third, the FSM doesn't just state to tighten it to 160 ft/lbs and call it good. It actually states to check your pinion preload prior (which requires removing the carrier) and then try to match it + 5 in/lbs once you re-install the yoke.

I can tell you that a crush sleeve may or may not be reusable in that instance. But waht are you going to do if it's not, or if you overtighten it? If you are going to reuse the crush sleeve, fine. I'm saying you should have at least another one on hand in case the original is unusable.

Simply tightening it to 160 ft/lbs is only part of the equation. Even then, I don't like that as an answer in general. Tighten it to whatever it will take to get the proper pinion preload. If it's 160 great, but if it takes 210, then that's what I'll do. By not getting the correct preload you risk abnormal bearing wear or bearing damage which results in a new gear job.

I'm glad people have had success doing it the short way but the risk just isn't worth it to me. $5 vs. $1000. Your call. And I say that loosely because if you can re-use the crush sleeve and get it to pre-load spec, then great!

With all of that being said, most shops will take the shortcut because time is money and good enough is good enough for them. Not my preference though.
No one here told him to just torque the pinion nut to 160ft lbs. There is also a specific precedure to check preload and it doesn't involve removing the carrier. It's not the short way of doing it, it is the vehicle manufacturers procedure.
 
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