KO2's vs. Wintery mix

Chris · Jan 8, 2017

I can't comment on mud terrain tires in the snow, because I've never used them in the snow. I have heard from people who use them in the snow that they suck (unless it's unpacked snow). If you're driving on packed snow and plowed roads, I'm pretty certain that mud terrain tires would probably be one of the worst tires you could have.

Maybe I'm wrong though.

UpperMI · Jan 8, 2017

Chris said:
I can't comment on mud terrain tires in the snow, because I've never used them in the snow. I have heard from people who use them in the snow that they suck (unless it's unpacked snow). If you're driving on packed snow and plowed roads, I'm pretty certain that mud terrain tires would probably be one of the worst tires you could have.

Maybe I'm wrong though.

I think it all depends on if the lugs in a mud terrain tire are siped or not. A traditional mud terrain tire is going to skid more on hard packed snow or ice. Something like this....

Adventuro radial gt mt

However; if a mud terrain tire is siped it allows the lug to flatten a little bit more when it rolls plus it allows snow to pack into the sipe. And just like making a snow ball, snow sticks to snow. Something like this.....

Cooper stt pro

That's why I'm hoping someone who has these tires chimes in to give their experience in snow or wet road conditions.

Chris · Jan 8, 2017

UpperMI said:
I think it all depends on if the lugs in a mud terrain tire are siped or not. A traditional mud terrain tire is going to skid more on hard packed snow or ice. Something like this....

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Adventuro radial gt mt

However; if a mud terrain tire is siped it allows the lug to flatten a little bit more when it rolls plus it allows snow to pack into the sipe. And just like making a snow ball, snow sticks to snow. Something like this.....
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Cooper stt pro

That's why I'm hoping someone who has these tires chimes in to give their experience in snow or wet road conditions.

True. Though this is why I run a good All Terrain tire, because I am not in the mud enough to need something dedicated to the mud (like a Mud Terrain). I've tested my Duratracs in just about everything and the perform exceptional in all of it!

I also avoided MT tires due to the much heavier weight per tire.

UpperMI · Jan 8, 2017

Chris said:
True. Though this is why I run a good All Terrain tire, because I am not in the mud enough to need something dedicated to the mud (like a Mud Terrain). I've tested my Duratracs in just about everything and the perform exceptional in all of it!

I also avoided MT tires due to the much heavier weight per tire.

I agree about the weight of most mud terrain tires. It's a definite turn off. Like you, I bought the duratracs because they come in a load range of "c" as opposed to "e" which most 245/75/16 tire come in. This reduced the weight by 6-7 pounds per tire. Plus the lugs of the duratracs are siped (multiple sipes per lug) which helps in snow, ice or rain. Plus they are one of the best looking all terrain tires around in my opinion.

Chris · Jan 8, 2017

UpperMI said:
I agree about the weight of most mud terrain tires. It's a definite turn off. Like you, I bought the duratracs because they come in a load range of "c" as opposed to "e" which most 245/75/16 tire come in. This reduced the weight by 6-7 pounds per tire. Plus the lugs of the duratracs are siped (multiple sipes per lug) which helps in snow, ice or rain. Plus they are one of the best looking all terrain tires around in my opinion.

Most people I run into initially think they are an MT tire, just based off the look. And I agree, they do indeed look like a MT tire, which is another reason I bought them.

I had Cooper Discoverer STT tires on my old XJ (which is a true Mud Terrain tire), and I won't do MT tires again for the street. They weren't very good in the constant rain, and I always asked myself why it is that I was running a MT tire on a vehicle that only saw off-road maybe 10% of the time.

I think the wiser choice would have been for me to buy a second set of wheels and mount MT tires on those wheels. That way I could put them on if I was going to go do anything extreme. Of course that would also be pretty expensive!

VirtualRussel · Jan 8, 2017

UpperMI said:
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Cooper stt pro

That's why I'm hoping someone who has these tires chimes in to give their experience in snow or wet road conditions.

I've run the Toyo Open Country MTs for the past 2 1/2 years in Michigan and they have a siping pattern very similar to the STT Pro you've posted. In the snow & rain they've been rock solid and I've been pleased with their performance. My only caveat is I run 255/85R16s (tall & skinny) so that definitely helps.

Chris · Jan 8, 2017

Tall and skinny helps a lot, for sure!

UpperMI · Jan 8, 2017

VirtualRussel said:
I've run the Toyo Open Country MTs for the past 2 1/2 years in Michigan and they have a siping pattern very similar to the STT Pro you've posted. In the snow & rain they've been rock solid and I've been pleased with their performance. My only caveat is I run 255/85R16s (tall & skinny) so that definitely helps.

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Thanks for that info. Very useful as southern Michigan gets a lot of ice/slushy days.

StG58 · Jan 8, 2017

VirtualRussel said:
I've run the Toyo Open Country MTs for the past 2 1/2 years in Michigan and they have a siping pattern very similar to the STT Pro you've posted. In the snow & rain they've been rock solid and I've been pleased with their performance. My only caveat is I run 255/85R16s (tall & skinny) so that definitely helps.

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Same size I have on the 'Bourbon, but load range E.

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