Interesting take on sway links

Fluxor said:

I vote swayloc for the exact same reasons as listed above.

To answer your initial question. Mountain Bike Lockouts are not supposed to be ridden hard or jumped when locked out. The lockout feature is for climbing up the mountain before bombing down. As bikes get bigger and suspension gets rowdier lockout features go away. Fox made an 831 specifically for jumping. It was essentially a rigid fork until you over shot a jump, land to flat and needs some give, it does not have a lockout feature its just a super stiff fork. I have blown multiple shocks weighing 190 lbs jumping bikes, I would imagine the "lockout" would explode rather quick with the forces applied in this situation.

The speeds are far greater and the forces much higher. Not saying its not possible to design a lockout that would work in this application it just would not or should not be like a mountain bike shock.

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ShredAZ said:

Agreed on the lock-out comment. Using an oil based damper to resist compression puts a log of stress on the shock.

However, Apex has a different product called the AutoLynx. Similar to a bike fork, it has a lock-out switch. Differently than a bike fork, it locks out fully compressed (rather than fully extended). Instead of using a damper to resist compression, it resists rebound. Different physics that I assume would put less stress on the internals.

I personally think the AutoLynx is a pretty innovative design. The JL and JK communities have put thousands of miles on them with very positive reports yet. At only $450, it feels like a more manageable option than a SwayLoc that effectively does the same thing for half the cost.

https://www.apexdesignsusa.com/prod...YEfAaNfWZoXr5ESL2nJ7IPYJm0JFRyZisipbbB1XjoZ-p

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jjvw said:

The $450 AutoLynx thing is a fancy disconnect. The SwayLoc is a dual rate sway bar. They are effectively not in any way the same thing.

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ShredAZ said:

I didn't say they were the same thing. I said they accomplish the same thing. If we're playing by formal semantics, maybe a more appropriate response would have been they accomplish "similar" outcomes.

Sure a SwayLoc set to "offroad" mode still provides some sway mitigation and added handling improvements over an entirely disconnected swaybar. It's a looser torsion bar than the "road" setting, but I also think you understood the point I was trying to make.

Not knocking on the SwayLoc. The SwayLoc was revolutionary 20 years ago when it came to market. It's nice to see new ideas come to market with modern solutions we didn't have decades prior. I don't understand the propensity of this community to be so quick to discredit new ideas.

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jjvw said:

They do not accomplish the same thing. There is no functional similarity.

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g.hayduke said:

When I worked as a SW engineer, the younger guys tended to be enamored of the latest bleeding edge technology often long before it was ready to be used in a production, mission-critical system. Shiny object syndrone.

Solutions in search of a problem.

Innovation for the sake of innovation (or marketing copy) solves no problem.

Why experiment when there is a proven product with a long track record that does precisely what you say you want?

Chasing that shiny object?

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g.hayduke said:

When I worked as a SW engineer, the younger guys tended to be enamored of the latest bleeding edge technology often long before it was ready to be used in a production, mission-critical system. Shiny object syndrone.

Solutions in search of a problem.

Innovation for the sake of innovation (or marketing copy) solves no problem.

Why experiment when there is a proven product with a long track record that does precisely what you say you want?

Chasing that shiny object?

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ShredAZ said:

Are your engines still carbureted? Do you have a cell phone in your pocket? What about a microwave in your kitchen? This is some backwards fuddlore, brother.

I respect your opinion, but I would be more receptive to it if it came off as less patronizing.

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jjvw said:

It isn't his fault that you do not understand how a gimmicky telescoping sway bar disconnect works.

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ShredAZ said:

See post #21. I think I explained exactly how it works

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ShredAZ said:

Are your engines still carbureted? Do you have a cell phone in your pocket? What about a microwave in your kitchen? Do you make purchases off of Amazon? This is some backwards fuddlore, brother.

I respect your opinion, but I would be more receptive to it if it came off as less patronizing.

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• Turn your factory sway bar into an adjustable rate sway bar (stock rate to light rate)
• Gives you the benefit of a factory rate sway bar on-road and the performance of a trail rate sway bar off-road.