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That was a close call

MikekiM

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Backed into a parking spot and never saw the deadman behind me until I got out.
Had less than an inch of clearance between the post top and the bottom corner of the tub. Would have really sucked if I hit it. I could have been a member of the Idiot Driver thread.. o_Oo_O
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That's a good reason to back up really slow-less damage when you hit something. I was talking to someone in city maintenance one time and he told me the most common damage to police cars was from backing into sign poles at Circle K.
 

Step 0: The prompt​

Help me use logic principles to analyze this statement: "I didn't hit this post. If I had, I would have qualified for membership in the idiot driver club." For example, he could still be an idiot driver for other reasons.


The statement can be divided into two parts:

  1. "I didn't hit this post."
  2. "If I had, I would have qualified for membership in the idiot driver club."
This is a counterfactual conditional (an "if-then" statement) because it talks about a situation that didn’t happen but imagines what would have occurred if it had.

Step 1: Analyzing the Counterfactual​

The second part, "If I had, I would have qualified for membership in the idiot driver club," is a hypothetical: it suggests that hitting the post would have made the person an "idiot driver."

However, the first part, "I didn't hit this post," tells us that this hypothetical situation didn't happen. We’re left with a claim about what would have happened if they had hit the post, but since they didn’t, it’s not certain that they are actually qualified for the club.

Step 2: Logical Implications​

  • The person did not hit the post. This negates the actual event but doesn't necessarily imply anything about their qualifications for the club.
  • "If I had hit the post, I would have been in the club." This establishes a causal relationship (hitting the post → membership in the club), but only under the assumption that hitting the post is the only criterion for membership. This isn’t necessarily true, so we might question the completeness of this rule.

Step 3: Reasoning Beyond the Literal​

  • Other Reasons for Being an Idiot Driver: As you mentioned, the person could still be considered an "idiot driver" for reasons other than hitting the post. For example, they might have engaged in reckless driving, distracted driving, or other behaviors that the club might consider for membership. So, even if the person didn’t hit the post, they could still qualify for the club.
  • Logical Fallacy (Possibly): The statement suggests a false dichotomy — it implies that only by hitting the post would one qualify for the club, but there could be other ways to qualify. This is a false dilemma where only one possibility is considered, even though others may exist.

Step 4: Testing the Logic​

  • Modus Tollens: If "If I had hit the post, I would have qualified for membership in the idiot driver club" is true, then the reverse is also true: if the person did not hit the post, they did not qualify for the club (given the statement’s conditional form). However, this doesn’t exclude the possibility of them qualifying for the club based on other actions.
  • Affirming the Consequent Fallacy: We can also notice that the statement could imply that hitting the post is the only way to qualify for the club, which is overly simplistic. Other actions could lead to membership, so the person might still be an "idiot driver" for reasons other than hitting the post.

Conclusion​

This statement uses a counterfactual conditional to talk about a hypothetical situation, but it overlooks the possibility that the "idiot driver club" may have other criteria. From a logical perspective, while the person didn’t hit the post, there could still be valid reasons for them to qualify as an "idiot driver" for other actions or behaviors, meaning the statement is logically incomplete if it suggests the post-hitting is the only condition for membership.
 

Step 0: The prompt​




The statement can be divided into two parts:

  1. "I didn't hit this post."
  2. "If I had, I would have qualified for membership in the idiot driver club."
This is a counterfactual conditional (an "if-then" statement) because it talks about a situation that didn’t happen but imagines what would have occurred if it had.

Step 1: Analyzing the Counterfactual​

The second part, "If I had, I would have qualified for membership in the idiot driver club," is a hypothetical: it suggests that hitting the post would have made the person an "idiot driver."

However, the first part, "I didn't hit this post," tells us that this hypothetical situation didn't happen. We’re left with a claim about what would have happened if they had hit the post, but since they didn’t, it’s not certain that they are actually qualified for the club.

Step 2: Logical Implications​

  • The person did not hit the post. This negates the actual event but doesn't necessarily imply anything about their qualifications for the club.
  • "If I had hit the post, I would have been in the club." This establishes a causal relationship (hitting the post → membership in the club), but only under the assumption that hitting the post is the only criterion for membership. This isn’t necessarily true, so we might question the completeness of this rule.

Step 3: Reasoning Beyond the Literal​

  • Other Reasons for Being an Idiot Driver: As you mentioned, the person could still be considered an "idiot driver" for reasons other than hitting the post. For example, they might have engaged in reckless driving, distracted driving, or other behaviors that the club might consider for membership. So, even if the person didn’t hit the post, they could still qualify for the club.
  • Logical Fallacy (Possibly): The statement suggests a false dichotomy — it implies that only by hitting the post would one qualify for the club, but there could be other ways to qualify. This is a false dilemma where only one possibility is considered, even though others may exist.

Step 4: Testing the Logic​

  • Modus Tollens: If "If I had hit the post, I would have qualified for membership in the idiot driver club" is true, then the reverse is also true: if the person did not hit the post, they did not qualify for the club (given the statement’s conditional form). However, this doesn’t exclude the possibility of them qualifying for the club based on other actions.
  • Affirming the Consequent Fallacy: We can also notice that the statement could imply that hitting the post is the only way to qualify for the club, which is overly simplistic. Other actions could lead to membership, so the person might still be an "idiot driver" for reasons other than hitting the post.

Conclusion​

This statement uses a counterfactual conditional to talk about a hypothetical situation, but it overlooks the possibility that the "idiot driver club" may have other criteria. From a logical perspective, while the person didn’t hit the post, there could still be valid reasons for them to qualify as an "idiot driver" for other actions or behaviors, meaning the statement is logically incomplete if it suggests the post-hitting is the only condition for membership.
You have way to much time on your hands.

Isn't that what the stock milk jugs are for? :unsure:

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Didn't help too much in this case, now did it?
 
One of my student workers parks her car in the university parking garage, they have a bunch of similar height posts in different areas around the parking garage. Apparently one day she was leaving and didn't see one of the poles as she was turning out of her parking spot. It took out the headlight, fender, messed up the hood, about $1000 in damage for an under 8 mph incident. 🤦‍♂️
 
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