What's happening is that people are refusing to work crappy jobs for crappy pay. Time for the business to rethink how they treat their labor or go under.
The great resignation—where is the hired help?
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I'm not here to solve world hunger. Just pointing out that wages haven't kept up with the cost of living for a very long time and companies have been squeezing more and more of their employees time out of them. That's seemingly coming to a head.
If companies "Can't find help" it isn't because people are unwilling to work, it's because that company isn't offering enough incentive to work there.
The solution isn't "How do we convince people to work bad jobs for bad pay?". The solution is "How to we convince companies to make it work anyone's while to work there?"
You are right. Todays workforce is near unemployable. My guys make 85-100k a year. Still cannot beat what the gov pays to stay home or mooch off of family. New hires hve zero work ethics and miss at least one day a week.
If you are not filled with ideas, why mention a solution?
My expense of supplies has more than out paced any wage. A product I paid $5 for in 2007 is now $20, the product I sell has gone from $0.90 to $0.99, do you have a solution for that?
My aplogies for the rant. I can see you have no experience running a company or even managing one. Sorry.
Yeah right!!!
I live just outside of a town of less than 1000 people and currently there are more job openings than I ever remember seeing here. We have an electrical contractor offering $15+ per hour to start with zero experience, paid training, medical after 6 months, etc... A local C-store, same thing starting at $15/hr. We have a tire shop offering close to the same to start with, again zero experience. Now before you start in on the how little $15/her is keep in mind this is a rural town where the cost of living is DRASTICALLY lower than Urban America. Rent for a 3 bed 2 bath with a 2 car garage can be had for a touch over $1000/mth, You can BUY that same home for less than $200K.
I'll also throw in that social media is constantly full of people "looking for work" in or around our little town yet these places still can't find people to fill their open positions... Seems to me it's LAZY ass people with shitty work ethics that don't want to actually WORK for a living!
So “capitalism” is a bad word?
Simple is right.
I am not a bad guy. I will always lean across the table to help or encourage fellow man.
No doubt!! I have to chum new hires with sign on bonuses.
Minimum wage was never intended to support a family. It was supposed to be an “entry level” job of which you moved onto a career.
Flipping burgers is now a career. $20per hr line cooks mean $30 fast food lunches. They are screwing themselves. No benefits when you only work 20hrs. Lol
I was at a friends shop this weekend that sells “collectibles”. He had almost no folks trying to sell collections during the give away. The day the gov handouts ended, he is all smiles. No one planned for the future. All hand to mouth. I say no one, most is more realistic. I think they expect it to continue and that is causing a huge divide. Funny enough, it is along party lines and values.
These bleeding heart liberals that somehow got it into their heads, minimum wage should be a "living" wage are delusional at best. Entry level wages are just that, a starting point. As many have said, already on this thread, If you show up for work and put in real effort you should be compensated accordingly. If your employer doesn't want to recognize your efforts find another job in that same industry and sell yourself to the new employer as an experienced worker. And no I'm not talking about flipping burgers.
I wont even consider a company who doesn't have immediate or within a month benefits, not worth my time to work for a company who has shitty benefits...
I'm sure both things are true.
There are people who are basically unemployable. And there are companies who won't pay what the job is worth. Both are factors in the current market.
But please show me how I can make $85k on the dole. Even with the stimulus checks and the fed bonus unemployment it's nowhere near that.
So how are these people surviving?
There are lots of jobs from the bottom to the top. Is your opinion that since flipping burgers isn't paying enough that people are sitting at home in protest instead of applying for other positions that pay more? They will rejoin the workforce once pay is adequate for jobs that require no skill?
Hypothetically if I needed a job and the first place I went didn't pay what I needed to make, I'd move on down the street and locate another opportunity that met my needs and apply for that. You make it sound like instead of looking they go home and sit on their ass expecting the job to come up to their level.
There are bad people and companies out there. While we still have a resemblance of freedom in this country......run, dont walk away from your bad situation. There has never been a better time to further your career.
I'm guessing some entry level workers (companies = bad) haven't a clue what "benefits" cost the employer. Post Obama astronomical healthcare costs chiefly, followed by workmans comp.
It's just a rough phase were going thru until the great reset is fully in place.
"Rough phase" being we (people trying to run a business) are delusional to think that we can continue paying astronomical prices for inputs and labor and still continue to produce.
I meant that I still cannot get people to work regardless of the pay. Sorry, I am one sided. The employee will work a week or so and decide it is harder work than they are looking for. The new guy is not going to put in the effort to "climb the ladder" or "earn" the raise. Instead, they show up hungover or not at all.
Remember the program Trump was trying out, I cannot remember the name but it was about giving a felon a chance? I implemented that. Felons generally have a hard time getting employed, so they will tend to give a little more effort when they land a job. Verdict is still out as far as solid feedback, but at least I can get someone to apply.
I almost wish I wasn't retired, what with the job market as it is now...
Exactly. And that’s what I believe is going on. “Bad people” and “bad companies” are finding out that people don’t want to work for them.
The tone of “nobody is willing to work!” is hyperbolic at best. The unemployment rate late month touched around 4.5% nationally. Still dropping steadily since April of 2020 (see: Bureau of Labor Statistics)
I still contest that the solution isn’t fixing bad employees, it’s fixing bad employers.
Are you looking at jobs for which you have zero provable experience, though? That's the key distinction. If you can prove you have a decent amount of experience then you should be worth more than minimum wage, because you won't need to have the same training as a beginner. The benefits waiting period is not uncommon for people entering. Field of work for which they have no prior experience, because it's not cheap. What happens if the new hire decides they don't like the job 3 months in?
That's pretty much money wasted, wages, unemployment insurance, and cost of medical insurance.
I think @Rooscooter touched on the fact that there are 20 million or so out of the workforce in the last couple years that aren’t counted anymore when they calculate the “unemployment rate”.
Figures lie, liars figure.
If I was in the workforce and didn’t like my situation, I’d vote with my feet and rectify that post haste. Never been a better time!
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