Dave Kishpaugh's (Jeep West) geometry correction brackets are now available
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There is no free lunch. Convenience often times comes at the sacrifice of performance.
sure, even increases AS. and i only get rear wheel hop when i lock up the fronts. good suspension seats are recommended.
This is the internet. Its makes us individually smarter and collectively dumber at the same time.
The money you save on a sway bar you can put into nice seats.
There are currently 8 sets left ready to go. No wait time.
The shit talkers are selling them for me the last 2 days. We have the #1 spot on Google for the tj.
Most people do actually get it. Thanks guys.
The shit talkers are selling them for me the last 2 days. We have the #1 spot on Google for the tj.
Most people do actually get it. Thanks guys.
Pressurized
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Ironically, for $160, I have not seen a single post that indicates what the geo brackets make worse... A lot of questions about what they make better (all from people that don't have them), a lot of answers on what is better, but not a single post about what is "worse". That's the internet for you...
If I sold you a spoon for eating cheerios that cost $160 but wasn't any better than the spoon you already own, would you buy it?
Pressurized
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Got proof it isn't any better? What's different about it to make it $160?
As for these brackets? Geometry is real... Anti squat is real. Axle steer is real. Control arm angles are real. Track bar clearance is real, roll center is real. If 200% anti squat was good, do you ever wonder why the Jeep engineers didn't build them that way to begin with? Some simple logic is required for some of these mods...
When you drove your Jeep before and after doing the geo correction what wasn’t better?
Pressurized
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I suspect you already know this, none of the people disputing what the brackets do have ever tried them, and will never try them... It's just the internet wayalife... (tsk tsk)
I have no dog in this fight, I could care less. However, to bring the Jeep engineers into this makes no sense whatsoever unless you are referring to "streetable" gains and not off road gains as the engineers build for the masses.
I think the main confusion surrounding this is the fact that the geo correction brackets are for street manners when you have lift installed. If so, then it is what it is. I can't say yay or nay in that regard. However, off-road use is a different story all together.
I guess my question is (and it may have already been answered), are these geometry correction brackets designed for on or off road use? If I need to go 40 mph doing donuts in a parking lot then yes, these are for me. I am mostly curious what the benefit is for off-road use as I don't spend much time in parking lots doing donuts. If there is an off-road benefit, please let me know what it is.
In the meantime, I'll stick with my short arms as is. With that being said, I installed my rancho 5000x's and can't say that I experienced that WOW factor that everyone has described. I know it's not saying much, but I think my Bilsteins are superior but that's for another thread.
Edit: I want to be perfectly clear that if I can buy a couple of brackets for $160 and perform better than a mid arm, then I'm all for it. I haven't seen the midarm in action enough to make me feel the need for one of those either but if there is a cheaper and better option I'm all for it.
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Pressurized
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I completely disagree, suspension geometry impacts all uses... Or road and off. Anti squat does the same thing, on road and off.
It's really odd to see so many people naysay on a product they don't own, haven't experienced and don't plan to. Not my experience on other forums...
And I don't think any of us have tried to say they are better than a mid arm.
Ok....I probably an going to regret this... But a lot of the nay-sayer in this thread have gone on record as saying that there should be no difference between road manners and off road manners... Good manners are good manners. Now, we have people take one comment from Dave about a bracket design that might be biased toward street driving and all of a sudden, these brackets are in a different category and don't belong on an off road rig.
But wait...I thought manners were manners and jeeps could drive good on the street and off road?
The fact of the matter is that suspension design theory doesn't change based on the length of arm you run. The same rules of physics apply to us all, equally. So if Dave has made a set of brackets that change the geometry to something you desire, get the brackets. If not, then let it go.
I don't understand the animosity in this thread. Just let it go. Why the hell does anyone care what anyone else chooses to run? Experience is the best teacher and education costs money. There aren't a set of users on this forum that have been appointed at the protectors and guardians of all that is TJ...but it sure as hell seems like some of you think you are.
But wait...I thought manners were manners and jeeps could drive good on the street and off road?
The fact of the matter is that suspension design theory doesn't change based on the length of arm you run. The same rules of physics apply to us all, equally. So if Dave has made a set of brackets that change the geometry to something you desire, get the brackets. If not, then let it go.
I don't understand the animosity in this thread. Just let it go. Why the hell does anyone care what anyone else chooses to run? Experience is the best teacher and education costs money. There aren't a set of users on this forum that have been appointed at the protectors and guardians of all that is TJ...but it sure as hell seems like some of you think you are.
I was just about to post the same thing. I find it very very interesting that an improvement in handling that doesn’t hurt off road (and may even help to some degree) is met with such hatred. The guise of “wanting to learn” from the ones who so staunchly talk shit about it is honestly just gross. Why can’t we be better and more objective?
Makes me think there is more to the story...
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