Ford CEO says he has 5,000 open mechanic jobs with 6-figure salaries from the shortage of manually skilled workers: ‘We are in trouble in our country’

[freedom_in_4low]

The whole " Flat Rate " system is designed to make the dealer money and cause a mechanic to spend huge amounts of money to " beat the system ".
Can you imagine if the " Flat rate " system was applied everywhere ? Medical , realty , architecture , I.T. , sales.
People would totally freak out being payed only what " The Manual " allows .

medical basically is that exact same model (rates paid according to contract with insurance), look how well that works!

 

[freedom_in_4low]

A College degree is not a waste of time or money. Getting the wrong degree such as Sociology, Phycology or Mid Evil Studies is a waste of time and money.

did you actually mean to refer to the study of algae and seaweeds or was that supposed to say "psychology"?

I personally am quite glad that Clive Lewis and Ronald Tolkien were able to study quite decidedly non-STEM degrees preparing them to go on to produce some of the most influential literature of the 20th century. I just think that modern day students should be fully informed about what life that degree prepares them for.

 

[Zorba]

Some people just aren't cut out for college. I certainly wasn't. I pretty much hated school, although I mostly made good grades. By the time I graduated high school, I was just "over" being in school. I sucked it up and went to tech school for 2 more years at the local JC, got a job and never looked back. I thought then, and I think now, that academia exists primarily to perpetuate itself. Having to study a bunch of crap to just be able to earn a living doesn't make sense to me.

 

[jeepguy03]

Some people just aren't cut out for college. I certainly wasn't. I pretty much hated school, although I mostly made good grades. By the time I graduated high school, I was just "over" being in school. I sucked it up and went to tech school for 2 more years at the local JC, got a job and never looked back. I thought then, and I think now, that academia exists primarily to perpetuate itself. Having to study a bunch of crap to just be able to earn a living doesn't make sense to me.

I think college still has its place. Contrary to my post above that wasn't well received by a member, I think it is extremely important to take into account the ROI on college degrees. I work at a university, and see students constantly that are buried in debt with zero plan on what they are doing after college. If people can take college classes for "fun" then good for them, they have an excess of wealth not shared by most of the country, and certainly not a majority of students attending college. The schools in my area can cost upwards of $200k+ for a 4 year degree.

A big part of the problem is planning for the future is not taught to young adults. I graduated high school in 2008, our school counselors and planners gave us several options about our future. Tech school/trades, starting our own business, college degrees, etc. When my younger sister graduated in 2016 she was told "you won't be successful without a 4 year degree from a well known school" by the same people, and even discouraged from applying to some schools telling her she likely wouldn't get in. I also see it in my own workplace, students being encouraged to major in degrees that clearly do not have a solid career path unless they plan on being in school forever, getting their PhD, and teaching that same subject.

 

[TJMexico]

I think college still has its place. Contrary to my post above that wasn't well received by a member, I think it is extremely important to take into account the ROI on college degrees. ...

ROI is a key part of the whole process. It seems that very few take that into account.

 

[Viking Jeeper]

I needed a degree to do what I wanted in the Navy. I have a finance degree, never worked in that industry but it has been beneficial for sure.

 

[Zorba]

I think college still has its place.

I'm not saying it doesn't, only that it isn't for everyone - and that ridiculous requirements are imposed that have nothing to do with one's major. Never mind the obscene cost. The college degree system is based directly on the ancient monastic model - it needs some serious revision. Trade schools/programs are structured far more sensibly. I didn't have the desire or patience for a college degree where I would have had to have taken 50% irrelevant crap. But that's me - YMMV and all that. I went through an electronics program for 2 years - that was friggin' tough, even on top of 4 years of high school electronics - then I went to work and learned the rest the old fashioned way, what used to be called OJT. I did well enough in the 2 year program, but it ate up students and spit them out. Somewhere around 50 people started, two years later exactly 2 people graduated from it, with a third who needed to re-take one class. Thevenin's theorem just about did me in, but I was better at boolean algebra - which was good as I pursued a career in computers. Sigh!

If I had had the patience for it, I might have gone into theoretical high energy physics - but after 16 years of school, I was OVER sitting in a classroom. Besides, I like to think that I'm halfway smart, but I'm not *that* smart! I wouldn't have survived another 6 - 8 years anyway.

 

[TJMexico]

I needed a degree to do what I wanted in the Navy. I have a finance degree, never worked in that industry but it has been beneficial for sure.

Then your ROI worked out positively. Great!

 

[ColoJeep]

ROI is a key part of the whole process. It seems that very few take that into account.

Because the " investment " is typically made by someone else !

 

[jeepguy03]

Because the " investment " is typically made by someone else !

Upfront yes, but they still need to pay it back. I hardly ever listen to the radio, but was in a campus vehicle the other day that had the radio playing and it came up with an ad that was for a consultant that could help people who were retiring with outstanding student debt. Which is WILD to me.

Also being in my 30s and dating there are a TON of women with enormous amounts of student debt I would prefer not to be hitched to haha.

 

[steelhd]

I didn't have the desire or patience for a college degree where I would have had to have taken 50% irrelevant crap.

I had no desire to go to college but in my early 20s realized that my cunning plan take over the world wasn't going to work. So I decided to try college and ended up getting a finance degree with a minor in economics. At the time I had exactly zero patience for the "50% irrelevant crap" and hated those classes. With nearly 40 years of hindsight it's clear to me that the "50% irrelevant crap" was the most valuable part of the experience.

 

[Zorba]

I had no desire to go to college but in my early 20s realized that my cunning plan take over the world wasn't going to work. So I decided to try college and ended up getting a finance degree with a minor in economics. At the time I had exactly zero patience for the "50% irrelevant crap" and hated those classes. With nearly 40 years of hindsight it's clear to me that the "50% irrelevant crap" was the most valuable part of the experience.

That's fine - and I even agree. Just don't put it in my career path. I've studied all kinds of irrelevant crap in my lifetime, and enjoyed all of it!

 

[Feralkid]

 

[TJMexico]

What he misses is that the young people are no better. It's not generational it's cultural.