Towing trailer with extended tounge

[ALASKANMADMAN]

1999TJ 4.0 AX15 that's jacked up to Jesus with 37x14.5R15s.

Tow capacity stock is 2000lbs but have you tried extending the trailers tounge out 4 feet or more? Trailer is 2450lbs?

And yeah, l already know but my nicknames TheMADMAN sooooooo

Coleman 13b

 

[macleanflood]

Pictures?

-Mac

 

[GATORB8]

What are you looking to accomplish with an extended tongue? Sweet spot for handling is generally matching vehicle wheelbase to trailer wheelbase (hitch pivot to axle). I was able to accomplish both on my camper build, but the JLU has a longer wheelbase.

That said, it's not going to do anything to make the trailer lighter.

 

[ALASKANMADMAN]

It removes trailer sway and fishtailing. Also aids in backing but Im proficient there. Im just feeling around but I know no way in hell can l pull said trailer any distance comfortably but l can get $uch a damn good deal on the trailer that im just touching on every possibility and even considering reinforcing trailer frame to add reciver hitch to rear of trailer and flat towing jeep behind it and pulling doubles with dodge or pulling jeep then trailer yeah, that sounds more better....or, getting a big assed trailer? Or....can finally go coilovers and stretch So basically it aint gonna happen but gotta exhaust every possibility as pumped fulla coffee and heading out the door to vegas to look at these little trailers. But damn im missing my diesel pusher right now...kinda

 

[GATORB8]

Looks like that's the dry weight of the trailer, 3,500 lb GVW.

Just the air drag is going to be a bitch, even if you were able to gut the trailer down 1k lbs to make the weight more manageable.

I wouldn't try a double pull, if anything if you have a 3/4+ ton dodge, you could get creative and buy a long flat trailer, and put the camper cab on it and park the Jeep behind it. Would end up like an open deck toy hauler/sleeper.

 

[macleanflood]

 

[speeding_infraction]

What you need is a RNTH (Redneck Toy Hauler):

 

[NashvilleTJ]

It removes trailer sway and fishtailing. …

Well, it’s a balancing act. Extend the tongue and you reduce the tongue weight. Reduce the tongue weight enough and you can introduce sway.

That said, that’s way too much weight for a TJ. Hauling it around your property, no problem. But tow it on the road and get into an accident, and you are screwed from a legal perspective.

 

[BlueC]

@Wildman isn't that your old setup?

 

[bucky]

Max tongue weight is 200# for your TJ. 800# total load on the STOCK TJ You need a minimum 10% of trailer weight to safely pull a trailer. 15% is better. By the time you add water, propane, food and equipment you’ll be wayyy over that limit. That lift and tire combination will not like the lateral loads that the trailer will exert. The nice thing about an extended tongue is that you can open the back tailgate with the trailer attached.

1200# trailer with 300# gear in Tj. 05 TJRU 6sp 2.5 OME lift and 32s. Pulls and handles great. Up and down 6% grades with no issues. Heading to the Colorado River this afternoon for 5 days.

 

[speeding_infraction]

@Wildman isn't that your old setup?

Appears so. This was the link to the picture I found.
https://wranglertjforum.com/threads/car-trailer-size.21489/page-2#post-348398

 

[B1Toad]

Don't be this guy.....

 

[Zorba]

Nuts - I have a little 4X6 utility trailer, and when it gets up to anywhere close to 1,000lbs gross, I don't really care for the way it feels. The drivetrain could move 5 or 6 thousand pounds with little trouble, the brakes and suspension, not so much.

 

[GATORB8]

Nuts - I have a little 4X6 utility trailer, and when it gets up to anywhere close to 1,000lbs gross, I don't really care for the way it feels. The drivetrain could move 5 or 6 thousand pounds with little trouble, the brakes and suspension, not so much.

5-6k is solidly in V8 half ton territory (really touching their max IMHO). Flat grade makes it less taxing, but the camper I built is in the 2k range and it was as much as I'd want to do cross country on the JLU that is rated for 3,500 lbs.

Trailer brakes help significantly on the braking side and the suspension can be setup to tow, but at the end of the day a light short wheelbase rig is not going to be a joy to tow with.

 

[TheBoogieman]

have you tried extending the trailers tounge

Oops wrong forum.

 

[Wildman]

@Wildman isn't that your old setup?

Yep

 

[Zorba]

5-6k is solidly in V8 half ton territory (really touching their max IMHO). Flat grade makes it less taxing, but the camper I built is in the 2k range and it was as much as I'd want to do cross country on the JLU that is rated for 3,500 lbs.

Trailer brakes help significantly on the braking side and the suspension can be setup to tow, but at the end of the day a light short wheelbase rig is not going to be a joy to tow with.

True that, although you don't necessarily need a V8, you just need gears! And cooling. To be honest, I'm not sure I'd want to tow 5-6K with any half ton - much less a Jeep. I know half ton tow ratings have gone up ridiculously in the last 20 years or so - so are these "half tons" really built like 3/4 tons used to be? I dunno... *shrug*

I was towing a 4,000 lb (wet/loaded) fiver with a half ton. I didn't like how it felt, it had enough power, it just didn't have the suspension or the wheelbase. I upgraded to a 3/4 ton and was a LOT happier.

 

[ALASKANMADMAN]

Looks like that's the dry weight of the trailer, 3,500 lb GVW.

Just the air drag is going to be a bitch, even if you were able to gut the trailer down 1k lbs to make the weight more manageable.

I wouldn't try a double pull, if anything if you have a 3/4+ ton dodge, you could get creative and buy a long flat trailer, and put the camper cab on it and park the Jeep behind it. Would end up like an open deck toy hauler/sleeper.

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Nah air drag no issues as jeep is taller then trailer but think will just pull with the truck

 

[bucky]

I pulled a 22’ trailer with my 81 3/4 ton 250 6cyl 4 speed Chevy. Had to shift down to 2nd climbing any major hill. It got me there just not fast.

 

[Wildman]

Looks like that's the dry weight of the trailer, 3,500 lb GVW.

Just the air drag is going to be a bitch, even if you were able to gut the trailer down 1k lbs to make the weight more manageable.

I wouldn't try a double pull, if anything if you have a 3/4+ ton dodge, you could get creative and buy a long flat trailer, and put the camper cab on it and park the Jeep behind it. Would end up like an open deck toy hauler/sleeper.

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I will tell you a 3/4 ton would pull my RNTH but I felt a lot better once I got a 1 ton dually.

I hauled it like this to Moab with my 3/4 ton and when I got home I bought a new 1 ton.

1 ton dually towed a lot nicer.